Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[plawolf]

It is interesting that many Singaporeans especially the elderly and Chinese diasporas are very enthusiastic about Sinovac. On the other hand, Professor Mak claimed that there are breakthrough problem for Sinovac but at the same time 32% of cases in a cluster in Singapore were fully vaccinated with Pfizer and Moderna. Guess Professor Mak has mental gymnastic issue since his statements are contradictory.

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“There is a significant risk of vaccine breakthrough,” he told reporters. “It’s not a problem associated with Pfizer. This is actually a problem associated with the Sinovac vaccine, and in other countries, they are now starting to think about booster vaccinations, even six months out from an original vaccination for some of these vaccines as well.”
Singapore, he added, was happy and confident with the two-shot Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines it uses. Health Minister Ong Ye Kung over the weekend stated that over half of Singapore’s 5.7 million population have received at least one dose of the vaccine – the first Southeast Asian country to pass this mark – and about 36 per cent have been fully inoculated.

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Citing the example of the Bukit Merah View cluster, he said 32 per cent of cases have been vaccinated, but 50 per cent have yet to receive the vaccine.

The rest of the cases have either received just one dose of the vaccine, or have not yet derived the full protection afforded by the vaccination's two doses.

"This does support the view that vaccination does protect you and reduce the risk of you getting infected, as opposed to those who are not vaccinated," he said.

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Typical western and white-worshiping projection mentality at play. See a problem in the west/with western products, automatically assume it also applies to China and is worse.

 

[ericlfh]

This shows that Professors can be brainwashed as well, if not more easily than the general population.

Not strange at all, Singapore government under the current PM is increasing distancing themselves from China and not going to turn back anytime soon. Their youth is even more anti-China than Japanese. This is the result of Western style education brainwashing since young. Everything from national news to TV program cannot stop gushing about their masters USA and western achievements. They may pay lip service as China is still influential enough in Singapore trading sphere. You can see that by their half-hearted Sinovac vacination program.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

Not strange at all, Singapore government under the current PM is increasing distancing themselves from China and not going to turn back anytime soon. Their youth is even more anti-China than Japanese. This is the result of Western style education brainwashing since young. Everything from national news to TV program cannot stop gushing about their masters USA and western achievements. They may pay lip service as China is still influential enough in Singapore trading sphere. You can see that by their half-hearted Sinovac vacination program.

Well agreed. The people most interested in getting Chinese vaccines in Singapore appear to be old people and China nationals. Old people grew up in a less Westernized environment.

This Professor Mak is being an Uncle Chan.

You know Hong Kongers and Singaporeans love comparing with each other? They're pretty similar. Young people in Hong Kong and Singapore wouldn't be rushing to get the Chinese vaccines and discussing it. Let's even not talk about what the young people there think of Russian vaccines or Russia as a great power player. In a lot of Western discourse, the only appearance of Russia in the media is as a boogeyman and literally nothing else.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

I hope young people learn to stand on the shoulders of @crash8pilot

 

[supersnoop]

I actually don't think the Singapore minister is white worshipping or anything like that
KISS/Occam's razor reason:

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Temasek - Singapore state investment fund
Also BioNTech planning a Singapore manufacturing facility for SEA

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Well agreed. The people most interested in getting Chinese vaccines in Singapore appear to be old people and China nationals. Old people grew up in a less Westernized environment.

This Professor Mak is being an Uncle Chan.

You know Hong Kongers and Singaporeans love comparing with each other? They're pretty similar. Young people in Hong Kong and Singapore wouldn't be rushing to get the Chinese vaccines and discussing it.

They have simply swallowed the Gay agenda (no offense to gay people of this forum) and other supposed virtues of western/American form of democracy, where a moron - who's educational achievement is a high school dropout - can essentially think and see him or herself equal to the people that has achieved more in education, business, military etc..Most people around the world find this concept aspirational and inspirational because it acts as a destroyer to barriers and class. Where a person who's demented views are given equal weight and consideration when it comes to discussing topics of national importance. Whereas China's system can be seen as limiting, elitist, and therefore not democratic enough for the sheeps a.k.a. masses in many societies. Which is also one of the pertinent or acute reasons of the severe anti-intellectualism in the U.S. and just to prove my point, John Stewart who's known exploits or accomplishment is from his fake comedy news show is seen and hoisted as more credible when discussing the origin of Covid-19 being a China lab leak induce pandemic as compared or opposed to people with degrees in relevant field in virology, microbiology like Fauci, and hosts other prominent scientific researchers in the U.S.

One mustn't forget the idiotic actions by vocal and prominent "free speech" advocates in Singapore when one of that country's citizen (Amos Yee Pang Sang) was being punished for disrespecting the father of Singapore, Lee Kwan Yeuw posting leud acts or pictures depicting the late P.M. in some grotesque sexual acts. The pervert is now awaiting trial in the U.S. for child pornography and his former supporters now lamented and regretted their support for that f..ng degenerate all in the name of "free speech." The values and cultures that has set Asians apart will be turned asunder if this perverse version of democracy and human rights goes unimpeded in those regions and the outcome will not be for the good but the end result will be just as lawless and chaotic similar to what's unraveling in the U.S.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

Man the British really did a number on a number of countries.

 

[tch1972]

Not strange at all, Singapore government under the current PM is increasing distancing themselves from China and not going to turn back anytime soon. Their youth is even more anti-China than Japanese. This is the result of Western style education brainwashing since young. Everything from national news to TV program cannot stop gushing about their masters USA and western achievements. They may pay lip service as China is still influential enough in Singapore trading sphere. You can see that by their half-hearted Sinovac vacination program.

Actually non of the PM are in anyway pro china. Lky was the chief architect in removing chinese identity of Chinese in Singapore

Then you have Goh chok Tong who was more pro india and even dress like an indian politician recently

Lee Hsien Loong is an idiot who is the most pro American. I personally wish china would teach him a lesson like how they deal with Morrison.

 

[zbb]

Singapore, he added, was happy and confident with the two-shot Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines it uses. Health Minister Ong Ye Kung over the weekend stated that over half of Singapore’s 5.7 million population have received at least one dose of the vaccine – the first Southeast Asian country to pass this mark – and about 36 per cent have been fully inoculated.

Citing the example of the Bukit Merah View cluster, he said 32 per cent of cases have been vaccinated, but 50 per cent have yet to receive the vaccine.

The rest of the cases have either received just one dose of the vaccine, or have not yet derived the full protection afforded by the vaccination's two doses.

"This does support the view that vaccination does protect you and reduce the risk of you getting infected, as opposed to those who are not vaccinated," he said.

This data is interesting and illuminating as Singapore is really the only country with high rates of vaccination using Pfizer/Moderna and also practices rigorous contact tracing and mass testing.

The fraction of the vaccinated among the infected being nearly the same as among the general population means that efficacy of Pfizer/Moderna against asymptomatic and mild infections is much worse than their published phase 3 trial results.

Many had suspected that Pfizer and Moderna's high overall efficacy numbers in their phase 3 trials were at least partially the result of not regularly testing trial participants and using overly strict definitions of infection that required positive PCR test plus symptoms from a very restricted list of COVID symptoms. E.g., someone with a positive PCR test and a headache would not be classified as an infection in the Pfizer and Moderna phase 3 trials, neither would someone who got a fever and didn't bother to get a PCR test. In the Sinovac trial in Brazil that Western media likes to cite so much, both of those examples would have counted as infections as the Sinovac trials used a much looser definition for infection and the trial participants were medical workers who got regular weekly testing.

Also, Pfizer and Moderna trials were ran by the companies themselves, who of course have strong incentives to make the trial results look good, while the Chinese vaccine trials were performed by foreign institutions unaffiliated with the vaccine makers. Given the real world data from Singapore and the differences in how the phase 3 trials were conducted, the difference in efficacy between Pfizer/Moderna and the Chinese vaccines is likely not significant.

 

[HybridHypothesis]

This data is interesting and illuminating as Singapore is really the only country with high rates of vaccination using Pfizer/Moderna and practices rigorous contact tracing and mass testing.

The fraction of the vaccinated among the infected being nearly the same as among the general population means that efficacy of Pfizer/Moderna against asymptomatic and mild infections is much worse than their published phase 3 trial results.

Many had suspected that Pfizer and Moderna's high overall efficacy numbers in their phase 3 trials were at least partially the result of not regularly testing trial participants and using overly strict definitions of infection that required positive PCR test plus symptoms from a very restricted list of COVID symptoms. E.g., someone with a positive PCR test and a headache would not be classified as an infection in the Pfizer and Moderna phase 3 trials, neither would someone who got a fever and didn't bother to get a PCR test. In the Sinovac trial in Brazil that Western media likes to cite so much, both of those examples would have counted as infections as the Sinovac trials used a much looser definition for infection and the trial participants were medical workers who got regular weekly testing.

Also, Pfizer and Moderna trials were ran by the companies themselves, who of course have strong incentives to make the trial results look good, while the Chinese vaccine trials were performed by foreign institutions unaffiliated with the vaccine makers. Given the real world data from Singapore and the differences in how the phase 3 trials were conducted, the difference in efficacy between Pfizer/Moderna and the Chinese vaccines is likely not significant.

Now add in the fact that the mRNA vaccines likely have SEVERE side effects, like cancer and alzheimers, and it becomes obvious that Chinese vaccines are the better choice.

The spike protein is the true toxin of this disease, and all these mRNA vaccines get your cells to produce them in overdrive. They get everywhere in your body as a result and start damaging important machinery...

No wonder there are so many DEATHS from the Western vaccines, and no wonder there is a massive campaign to cover up the true nature of the vaccine bioweapon being pushed onto the masses.