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voyager1 said:
Their rhetoric is indeed in shambles. But their policies have started taking some shape and I expect them to be solidified further in the G7 meeting.

IMO, they will start creating their own "exclusive" economic sphere where Chinese companies will increasingly face restrictions

EU + US will join hands on most of the things.

So for the G7 meeting, the thing to watch is "International" Procurement system, Blue Dot Initiative, and funding for Green development in developing countries

Lets see how it all goes or if it will be the usual talk and nothing else
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One of the main differences between Trump and Biden is the so-called working with allies and partners. You would expect Biden will make some progress in that front, at least on the surface, simply because with Trump the US had hit the bottom. But it remains to be seen how much real progress and "united front" that the US can make or build. I kind of doubt it simply because with such a group of nations with very different interest, it will hit the hard boundaries and limits sooner or later.

We've got some ideas of how this US-built united front work in Asia, with QUAD and some. The US got some progress in getting some concession statements from Japan and South Korea on stability across Taiwan Strait, big victory I suppose. With Europe, the US will get a lot of statements on human rights, Xinjiang, etc., if only because the EU will need to give the US something. And that something are better to be rhetoric or symbolic, but not something real and substance. As for Blue Dot or other initiatives, I just don't think they're going anywhere real far or fast. The US has come up with quite some initiatives in the past to counter Belt and Road Initiative. How did they fare? If you noticed, the US has been reacting to Chinese strategy and moves both domestically and internationally. Those don't necessarily play into the US strengths, and often have to resort to brute force, like Huawei ban.

The thing is, the US is bound to score some points, here and there, now and in the future, if they decide to apply a lot of capital into it. There is no need to get overexcited or agitated by certain moves. China can live with them and stay the course. It's important to look at the big picture, trend and the fundamental structural forces and don't make strategic mistakes.
 
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A Deadly Contradiction: the Chinese Dreamers vs. the U.S. Hegemon

BY JOHN V. WALSH | COUNTERPUNCH - 02 June 2021

Do China and the US have fundamental goals that constitute a contradiction, that is, goals so profoundly at odds with one another that the goals cannot coexist? Unfortunately, the answer is yes.

Such a contradiction means that one side must abandon its aims if a disastrous conflict is not to ensue. Which country should step back? Is there a moral, ethical or common-sense basis for making that call, a basis on which humankind can readily agree?

What are these contradictory goals?

China’ overwhelming objective is clearly economic development, a policy to which it has hewed closely and which it declares for its future. That is no surprise; it is the dream of every developing nation. It is “The Chinese Dream.”

If such goals were no more than words on paper, there would be no problem. But China is succeeding as is widely acknowledged now. Its economy surpassed the U.S. in terms of GDP (PPP) in November of 2014 according to the IMF and is growing faster. Over 700 million have been brought out of poverty, with extreme poverty eliminated in 2020. The middle class now comprises over 400 million people. The retail market is enormous and the ecommerce market by far the world’s largest. China is the world’s largest manufacturer and trader.

According to the World Bank, China is 7th from the top of the Upper-middle-income group as of 2020 and poised to enter the ranks of the 59 countries in the High-income group. China has a set a new goal, a standard of living enjoyed by the most prosperous countries in the West, to be achieved by 2049 the centennial of the birth of the Peoples Republic of China.

With this in mind let’s turn to the American side of the equation. The U.S. has a long history of expansion and imperialism with the inevitable appeals to Exceptionalism and racism. However, the ambition of world dominance, global hegemony, emerged consciously among the US foreign policy elite in 1941 before entry into WWII as Stephen Wertheim documents in Tomorrow the World: The Birth of U.S. Global Supremacy. Henry Luce expressed the idea in his 1941 essay, “The American Century” in which he enjoined the U.S. “to accept wholeheartedly our duty and our opportunity as the most powerful nation in the world and in consequence to exert upon the world the full impact of our influence for such purposes as we see fit and by such means as we see fit.”

After World War II when the U.S. colossus looked down at the rest the world prostate after the war, we heard a similar sentiment from George Kennan considered as perhaps the principal architect of postwar U.S. foreign policy:

“Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world’s wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. … Our real task in the coming period is to … maintain this position of disparity …. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality. …. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction.” George F. Kennan, Foreign Relations of the United States, 1948, Volume I, pp. 509-529 (This statement of Kennan’s is discussed in detail
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More recently and equally starkly at the end of the Cold War, the Wolfowitz Doctrine was enunciated by Paul Wolfowitz Under Secretary of Defense for Public Policy.

It can be summed up in a single sentence:

“We must maintain the mechanism for deterring potential competitors from even aspiring to a larger regional or global role.” Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994-1999 fiscal years, dated February 18, 1992, from the office of Paul Wolfowitz.

China fits the definition of a “potential competitor”; it not only “aspires” to a larger regional role and global role but has already attained it! By the Wolfowitz principle, China must not only be “contained” but returned to a non-competitor status by whatever “mechanism” that the US can devise.

And so we come to the basic contradiction. The U.S. insists that it be the world’s greatest power, an unassailable hegemon. This means that it must be the number one economic power since all power ultimately derives from economic power.

Now assume that China’s per capita GDP is equal to that of an advanced Western country, the goal of China by 2049. Take the US as an example. Since China’s population is about four times that of the US, then it will have a total national GDP four times that of the US! The US will then be far from the dominant power; the Wolfowitz Doctrine will go up in smoke.

This does not mean that the U.S. will lapse into penury or even that its living standard will be compromised. Indeed, there is no reason that the U.S. cannot continue to be an increasingly prosperous country. In that sense the contradiction between the US and China is not a conflict of interests between the American people and Chinese people. But it is a contradiction between the U.S. governing Elite and 1.4 billion Chinese dreamers.

Even now with China on a par with the U.S. economically in GDP (PPP) terms the U.S. cannot operate as a hegemon or as an unchallenged world power.

How can the U.S. maintain its ambition of hegemony? Simply put, China’s development must be halted or reversed. Thus, the drive for U.S. superiority is a war on the aspirations of the vast Chinese population, not simply a war on the Chinese state. Will China’s people, nearly 20% of the global population, passively accept this fate?

How then are we to look at the China-US contradiction in moral or ethical terms? Given the U.S. goal of hegemony versus the Chinese dream of a Western standard of living, which has the greater claim on the support of decent humans everywhere? The 1.4 billion Chinese dreamers or a tiny U.S. governing Elite?

John V. Walsh can be reached at [email protected]

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THIS, THIS, THIS
 
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Lol, is every small set back something the USA can feel proud of. I swear that the media in the west is becoming more and more heartless each day going by. But in the event that the USA goes under, does that mean that an even more heartless answer is required for the west to finally understand that the hegemony is dead but also that a new one will begin, only that the west will be in the same position that China was in for the last century.
 
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ericlfh

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China state media in shambles. I think these kinds of statistics have finally woken up Xi about China's idiotic and incompetent media


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Lmao. China's big soft power "win" here...

The rest of the survey presents some less bad results but lMO China is definetely not doing well.
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Well you cannot stop what other people say or do. All China have to do is keep on doing what she is doing now, i.e reach out to more countries and keep on improving herself regardless of what your advesaries do. China don't have to fight with the western for a slice of rotten western pie. There are worlds out there. Koreans and Japanese are not Asians, they are anglo-sians, so let them bitch and feel threatened all they want.
 
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Guess China has taken note of Germany's hostile actions with Heiko Masse trying to stonewall Hungary's veto in the EU being used as an anti China tool.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1402876355344175105

If the germans persist in being Cucks, perhaps China should invest and build up poland and Hungary into being competitors; give preferential treatment to polish and Hungarian companies over german ones, especially since german companies and merchants are incapable of restraining the anglo worshipping MEPs.
 
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Guess China has taken note of Germany's hostile actions with Heiko Masse trying to stonewall Hungary's veto in the EU being used as an anti China tool.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1402876355344175105

If the germans persist in being Cucks, perhaps China should invest and build up poland and Hungary into being competitors; give preferential treatment to polish and Hungarian companies over german ones, especially since german companies and merchants are incapable of restraining the anglo worshipping MEPs.
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Something that most people in the world has not figured out because it has been "normalized", but most European countries see the Gypsy people as subhumans/pest in their society. It is very similar as being a lower caste person in India where it is very hard to move up. I feel if countries are digging dirty on China, it is all fair game for China to respond.
 
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