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steel21

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I'm not sure that the CCP is moving towards transparency at the moment. So many things involving Party members and their activities are classified as "state secrets". We're not even sure what Xi Mingze looks like. People used to think they knew, then it turned out the widely circulated photograph of her at Harvard could have been anyone after someone was prosecuted for allegedly leaking her passport photograph (of clearly a very different woman) a couple of years ago.

Not to mention the constant harassment of anyone who tries to write about the personal/family wealth of top CCP leaders.

I just don't see the Standing Committee allowing transparency of their affairs, and even reporting on what provincial and city leaders are up to could easily lead to calls for the same treatment for top leaders.


That assumes both of us are still here on SDF in 2030!
I dont really care what his daughter does or even looks like (unless she's spectacularly hot, just kidding)

I just need transparency on the policies.

Do I care they make few million? No. honestly, the guys at the top should be paid at least what M.Benz or VW CEO is getting paid, times 10, so around 1-3mil USD/yr.

As long as they are running the country well, I really don't care who they sleep with as long as it's not coerced or underaged, and provided that they are vetted by counter intelligence.

Leaders don't need to be saints, just good managers and decision maker.
 
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horse

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Pictures of what these "Tribunals" would look likes.

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You know ... I am just fresh off the boat.

I heard of this thing called "Cancel Culture," but I really do not know exactly what it is.

For example, the story from Canada posted below, there were mass graves of Indigenous Canadians, who were often depicted by the white settlers as "savages."

Being "savages," they are automatically "cancelled" as human beings in "Cancel Culture." Thereby killing these "savages" is okay because they been cancelled as humans.

The mass burial graves are the evidence.

This is the part where I do not understand.

Seems to me, this "Cancel Culture," is being applied to China.

But how do you cancel 1.4 billion people, who has nukes with a second strike capability, and sells all the goods/stuff they happily buy?

Does not seem like much of a plan.

I don't understand it. That is why I am fresh off the boat. LOL.

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horse

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This statue is of Lord Ryerson.

It is located on Ryerson University in downtown Toronto.

With recent stories about abuse in Canada's past, people have vented against the statue.

In essence, according to today's ideology and parlance, this symbol and all that it represents, is being "cancel."


But ... but ...

How can they cancel 1.4 billion people, with the world's oldest and continuous civilization? Also, it was basically tried, with great fanfare, and merge results.

What is going on in the world today is quite interesting.

Everything changes, even the language. The old days, the mods banned my ass! Today it will be like, the mods cancelled by ass!

Then the chorus jumps in, with shouts of "You deserve it!" You deserve it!"

Maybe I do.

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Mr T

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I dont really care what his daughter does or even looks like (unless she's spectacularly hot, just kidding)
As I said, it's part of there being very little transparency at all about the senior leadership. Something as inconsequential as to what Papa Bear's daughter looks like is a secret. Secrets get classified downwards from the top in terms of importance, not from the bottom up. It's not that what she looks like is the most sensitive thing in China, it's that her image/identity and everything else that's more important than that is classified.

So, for example, it's illegal in China for a person or news organisation to publish stories about the wealth of top Chinese officials and their families, unless they've fallen out of favour first. It's also illegal to publish stories about corrupt business dealings, to make allegations about criminal activity of such officials and their families, etc.

To repeat, very few people care about what she looks like. It's the fact that so many things even down to unimportant matters like that are classified.

I just need transparency on the policies.
I know that Xi has in recently years made a big thing about transparency, e.g. the "Open party regulations". But this isn't new, it was tried when Hu Jintao was in charge as well. It may be that he wants more information given to the public about why things are being done, how well policies are being progressed, etc. But that's not really transformative in my view, it's still giving the Party the monopoly on information. I also doubt very much that any details on the assets of CCP officials and their families would be extended to a permanent register of those in the Politburo.

To have true transparency you need to publish information and let private organisations and individuals report on what officials and government are doing. Otherwise you'll never know if the information that politicians releases is accurate or not.

Do I care they make few million? No. honestly, the guys at the top should be paid at least what M.Benz or VW CEO is getting paid, times 10, so around 1-3mil USD/yr.
I don't think anyone would mind if Xi and the other members of the Standing Committee were taking in a couple of million dollars a year. But it's a lot more than that. I think Zhou Yongkang and his family took bribes and grabbed assets worth up to $100 million.

As for Xi's family, certainly there were reports some of his relatives had shares in Wang Jianlin's business empire that were worth upwards of a quarter of a billion dollars. That doesn't even count his wife and anything that was transferred to their daughter.
 

Appix

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Do I care they make few million? No. honestly, the guys at the top should be paid at least what M.Benz or VW CEO is getting paid, times 10, so around 1-3mil USD/yr.
Absolutely. I agree on that point with Singapore who pay their Prime Minister an annual salary of 1.6 million (US dollars). CEO of a big company has less importance in my eyes than good national leaders.
 

steel21

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As I said, it's part of there being very little transparency at all about the senior leadership. Something as inconsequential as to what Papa Bear's daughter looks like is a secret. Secrets get classified downwards from the top in terms of importance, not from the bottom up. It's not that what she looks like is the most sensitive thing in China, it's that her image/identity and everything else that's more important than that is classified.
As a legacy of Chinese history, Xi is seen with some semblance of royalty. Therefore, his daughter is seen a bit like princess of China. Is it healthy? Probably not. I have no problem with family been classified, just let them live their lives.

To have true transparency you need to publish information and let private organisations and individuals report on what officials and government are doing. Otherwise you'll never know if the information that politicians releases is accurate or not.

Nope. Most people wouldn't know what they are looking at anyway. Look around, the US government release all types of info, but does anyone really look at any accusations or data we publish here? Who funds these private organization and how can they be influenced?

I don't think anyone would mind if Xi and the other members of the Standing Committee were taking in a couple of million dollars a year. But it's a lot more than that. I think Zhou Yongkang and his family took bribes and grabbed assets worth up to $100 million.

The days that you can get away with 100x million is probably over. You have to look at why people took those bribes. Did they take it to spend or use it to power their own organization? On the other hand, it is still better than wasting trillions on Iraq.

No system is corruption free, well at least until Skynet takes over. There has to be an acceptable margin for graft, that's how systems are run. All political systems operate by dispersal of resources, the question is how much of it gets down to the lowest man on the totem pole. Also, it comes down to what is the general perception of social and financial mobility in the system.

Look at India and Taiwan, are they any better? You CANNOT rely on humans to watch other humans, technology is the solution. I think between block chain, digital currency, big data and analytics, graft can be sufficiently marginalize, in the same way that China has made HUMINT collection almost impossible (shit the 2 systems are probably correlated, if not the same).
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Can an automated system be fooled and coerced? Yes. But these systems build in additional layer of people and systems you have to buy off. And at some point, the cost of greasing system admins and super admins will get to a point that you would have to graft 10 million, just to get your cut of 2 million, and since the penalty is death if you get caught, you just give up.

Its not about morals, its a balance of penalties, risks and redundant overwatch, fuck private organizations.
 
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vincent

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Mr. T rather have the American corporate elites taking billions out from their corporations in the form of stock buy backs (all legal) and spending millions lobbying for lax regulations and government handouts (all legal) instead of a highly functional government based on meritocracy
 

Sleepyjam

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Mr. T rather have the American corporate elites taking billions out from their corporations in the form of stock buy backs (all legal) and spending millions lobbying for lax regulations and government handouts (all legal) instead of a highly functional government based on meritocracy
In the US corruption is legalized through lobbying and that’s part of the reason why government expenses are so high.
 
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