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voyager1

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@voyager1 bro withdrawal from NATO will be a good start and it will be a geopolitical game changer in the region, but of course the American will never allow that so if Edrogan is contemplating, He must prepare and ready to decouple his economy cause the US will used its dollar and influence to destroyed it.
No way Turkey will leave NATO. Being in NATO gives Turkey leverage because it can block collective action whenever it wants.

China and Russia specifically should support Turkey on staying in NATO. It can play spoiler, the same way UK was a US vassal in the EU and was sabotaging it every time the US wanted.

The more dysfunctional the NATO becomes the better for Russia, as the EU countries will be forced to build their own secutiry arrangements without the US
 

ansy1968

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No way Turkey will leave NATO. Being in NATO gives Turkey leverage because it can block collective action whenever it wants.

China and Russia specifically should support Turkey on staying in NATO. It can play spoiler, the same way UK was a US vassal in the EU and was sabotaging it every time the US wanted.

The more dysfunctional the NATO becomes the better for Russia, as the EU countries will be forced to build their own secutiry arrangements without the US
@voyager1 bro joining NATO is to protect Turkey from SOVIET UNION, that threat is long gone. Now being in NATO constrain Turkey ambition and leverage, She is not an EU member and will never be accepted so why join an institution that hinder your growth. Bro look at Turkey position if your outside NATO, you will be showered and courted by the US , EU ,RUSSIA and China, you're seating in one of the greatest geographic real estate the gateway to both Europe and Asia. It had the potential to be a regional power of its owned right and with that the influence and leverage. Bro that is the dream of Sultan Edrogan an OTTOMAN Caliphate.
 

voyager1

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Maybe. Agreed that Turkey probably has one of the best geographical position in the world.

Erdogan should focus on the economy though before making any grand plans about being a regional power. The economy is on the toilet for the common Turkish people. Plus Erdogan is very low on the polls for the next election.

Erdogan must first focus domestically and then internationally. He shouldn't make the same mistake as India which believes it is a superpower now lol
 

ansy1968

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Maybe. Agreed that Turkey probably has one of the best geographical position in the world.

Erdogan should focus on the economy though before making any grand plans about being a regional power. The economy is on the toilet for the common Turkish people. Plus Erdogan is very low on the polls for the next election.

Erdogan must first focus domestically and then internationally. He shouldn't make the same mistake as India which believes it is a superpower now lol
@voyager1 agree on that part bro, but need to ask @BoraTas since he is a Turkish on their view about Edrogan dreams and ambition, From what I know from my Turkish friend (from Istanbul) there is a love hate relationship with EU but still a majority want to join. But in central and southern part of Turkey (Cappadocia) the opposite.
 

Gatekeeper

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All these actions is because of the perceived notion that the USA is in the position of strength and will back Australia no matter what the real situation is. To be honest, all this is because Australia is banking like Japan and India that the USA will have its back (despite the fact in reality that this is not the case given the whole America first doctrine). If the USA loses the dollar reserve status or if the USA is damaged enough by all the issues that Biden is trying to handle right now and is not really solving, despite the media painting the image other wise, then the world no matter how they want to, will ultimately follow China and Russia as the force of stability and in that situation, Australia will be forced to consider its future in the world since as of now every country can easily see Australia as a shameless Lackey as they have shown in the G20 in regards to it climate obligations that Scomo simply pretended to care about but don't really do much for because of the perceived notion that the USA has it back regardless.

Imagine the day that the USA is gone and many nations, whether China, Russia and every European will gladly use Australia as the scape goat and will use Australia as it whipping boy for all the atrocities in the middle east due to being a willing lapdog for the USA. Australia does have a potential of being a worthy partner of China but the main problem is the overwhelming amount of USA government officials in the Australian government pulling the strings and painting China as the devil. But should the USA lose its dominance in the coming decade and if the Anglo Saxons lose its privileges that they have abused for so long, then really Australia will be next on the chopping block and ultimately force Australia to confront the world without the USA's backing since this is what is truly holding Australia back. If people looks about the polls, most of the public don't like the government due to there uselessness but there are no better options due to the media protecting their ass and always directing the minds of the people elsewhere, but this is all going to change in the coming decade. After all there used to be a dedicated FLG near the place I live and have always been a very big voice but as of now and recently, these have all disappeared for good almost the more the truth does come out. I believe that things will solve itself with time but Australia is going to have to carve its own path without outside influences from the USA or the UK guiding them since both of those nations are on borrowed time no matter how much the media likes to paint things.

For China, time will eventually flow in the right direction but China should simply take its time to strengthen itself and not commit to anything to rash and simply put, just take its time to win its conflicts through letting time takes its course. As everyone can see, all those issues in the UK and the USA are the result of time catching up to them without China commuting any real kind of espionage and the like, thus I can see the same thing happening in Australia over time but as always, China should be vigilant and take its time to find opportunities to advance its goals in the long run. After all if anyone can think about it, by not confronting Japan for its crimes in WW2 when they were weaker, if China considers confronting Japan now, outside of US intervention, it will not be a matter of if but when China avenges itself of what happened in ww2 and crush Japan when its economy and the moral of their people are at its weakest it has ever been.

Sorry this reply is quite long

Wow. @emblem21

What's got into you? That's a long, but good, reply. Very uncharacteristic of you, may I add. Much appreciated.

Question for you and those living down under. Is the hatred towards all thing China real? Or is it just the political elite?

No way Turkey will leave NATO. Being in NATO gives Turkey leverage because it can block collective action whenever it wants.

China and Russia specifically should support Turkey on staying in NATO. It can play spoiler, the same way UK was a US vassal in the EU and was sabotaging it every time the US wanted.

The more dysfunctional the NATO becomes the better for Russia, as the EU countries will be forced to build their own secutiry arrangements without the US

@voyager1 bro joining NATO is to protect Turkey from SOVIET UNION, that threat is long gone. Now being in NATO constrain Turkey ambition and leverage, She is not an EU member and will never be accepted so why join an institution that hinder your growth. Bro look at Turkey position if your outside NATO, you will be showered and courted by the US , EU ,RUSSIA and China, you're seating in one of the greatest geographic real estate the gateway to both Europe and Asia. It had the potential to be a regional power of its owned right and with that the influence and leverage. Bro that is the dream of Sultan Edrogan an OTTOMAN Caliphate.

@voyager1 @ansy1968

I think this guy put it much better than I ever could.

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On a different topic. Because of fear of jail time again from MODS that I post too frequently.

I came across this showing an air stewdess helping an elderly person to save their lives by administering first aid in Shenzhen.

What significant about that? You may ask. Well remember the recent event where a UK consulate worker was treated as hero all over the western MSM. Yet this thing happens in China, and not a peep from the same MSM . Propaganda or what.

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voyager1

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No respect for China. This is what happens when you dont invest more in the military (yes even more than now)

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Taiwanese Vice President Lai Ching-te (賴清德) emphasized on Sunday (April 25) that Taiwan is a sovereign state and that "the two [nations] are not affiliated with each other."


Senior advisor to president also proposes name change to ‘Republic of Taiwan’​

Serving as a co-chair of the DPP's Constitutional Reform Panel, Yao proposed a national name change to the "Republic of Taiwan" from the "Republic of China," the official though misleading name of Taiwan at present.
You see this? China is losing Taiwan month by month. As time passes the Taiwanese Gov will systemically start dismantling everything related to China.

Big mistake that China has not spent more money on the military. Military spending as a percentage of GDP has mostly remained stable, and as a result China is paying for it now.


Maybe China forgot its history lesson?

Economy without military is nothing and ultimately leads to destruction.
 

ansy1968

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No respect for China. This is what happens when you dont invest more in the military (yes even more than now)

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You see this? China is losing Taiwan month by month. As time passes the Taiwanese Gov will systemically start dismantling everything related to China.

Big mistake that China has not spent more money on the military. Military spending as a percentage of GDP has mostly remained stable, and as a result China is paying for it now.


Maybe China forgot its history lesson?

Economy without military is nothing and ultimately leads to destruction.
@voyager1 bro your skin, culture and race stays with whether you liked it or not, you can't deny your heritage! so fxxk them, let them whine and embarrass themselves. Ohh apologies for the foul language...lol
 

Gatekeeper

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No respect for China. This is what happens when you dont invest more in the military (yes even more than now)

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You see this? China is losing Taiwan month by month. As time passes the Taiwanese Gov will systemically start dismantling everything related to China.

Big mistake that China has not spent more money on the military. Military spending as a percentage of GDP has mostly remained stable, and as a result China is paying for it now.


Maybe China forgot its history lesson?

Economy without military is nothing and ultimately leads to destruction.

Patients my young apprentice. I think all Taiwan's move have the tell tale sign of someone else pulling the strings . And as we have already said here many times. It's in the interests of the puppet master to start something now rather than later where it still have a reasonable expectation to win. On the other hand it is in the interest of China to delay that day as long as possible to level the odds.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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No respect for China. This is what happens when you dont invest more in the military (yes even more than now)

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You see this? China is losing Taiwan month by month. As time passes the Taiwanese Gov will systemically start dismantling everything related to China.

Big mistake that China has not spent more money on the military. Military spending as a percentage of GDP has mostly remained stable, and as a result China is paying for it now.


Maybe China forgot its history lesson?

Economy without military is nothing and ultimately leads to destruction.
You need to take a chill pill. Unless Taiwan declares "Independence" all of this howling nonsense from the D.P.P. is political theatre to distract the Taiwanese voting public from their sheer incompetence and crisis it faces from their own making. The Taiwan independence b.s. is their calling card that has the ability to unify their supporters and non-supporters alike. What these morons are doing are no different than what the demoncrazy government of India does, the Philippines, and nations that have strong anti-China population.

And as for your point about China should have invested more into their military and what you deemed as disrespect to China wouldn't be happening. I don't buy that argument one bit. If having the most amount of Nukes, the biggest military in Europe and has time and time again showed it's willingness to use decisive force whenever necessary then why is RUSSIA facing all these sanctions left, right, and center? Putin, has been warning NATO since he became P.M. of Russia then President not to expand eastward close to it's border or absorb nations that were once part of the Soviet bloc. NATO led by the U.S. ignores that sh..t anyway.
 

voyager1

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See, this chart below and you will understand why this is happening.
Mind you, the source(until 2019) is a US think tank which loves to hype the China threat, so this could be an overstimation of the real spending for China lol


Check China's spending. Does it really think that the military doesn't matter? The US will teach it a harsh lesson for their mistake on military underinvestment. The US is going to salami-slice the Taiwan Issue as much as it wants while China would be unable to do anything

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