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voyager1

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Bad news. Seems like an Indonesian Submarine has been lost. Accident?
 

plawolf

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Saw this article on Reddit and I want to share a commenter’s analysis of this which I feel is quite eye opening. What do you guys think?

From user dirtyid:
“Long term PRC will engineer TW reunion eventually. It's an unsettled / unfinished Chinese civil war propagated by US post WW2 that has to end at some point. PRC politics compels it under CCP control and likely sooner if PRC ever decides to democratize (PRC nationalists are scarier than CCP). Understandably TW politics will respond in turn. But tech war gives TW a lot of negotiating power via TSMC silicon shield/lance. This is unplanned happenstance that is being rapidly corrected US/EU/PRC all want domestic semi. Equation is: TW decides when to fight, US decides whether to fight, and PRC decides how long to fight. TSMC means at least short term, US is pressured to fight. Hence all the bellicose US/PRC rhetoric, but ultimately neither US or China wants TW to have this much power.

Sidebar, another reason why JP & S.Korea are incentivized not to fight for TW. TSMC is big, but these 3 + PRC are ~75% of global wafer production and semi supply chains. TSMC blows up, tech resets to 2010 for a few years. East Asian semi blows up and we're back in the 90s for possibly decades. Also it's not a coincidence US weapon sales to TW has delivery dates around when TSMC opens Arizona fab(s).

IMO once semi conundrum ends in 10-20 years, more reunion options open up and more even force balance between US/PRC make war more unlikely. Of course hope is it's peaceful, and if not, with as little violence as possible. people should stop thinking about 1C2S or invasion. The former is not dead, 20 years long time for major political shifts for peaceful options under some other scheme like suzerainty i.e. TW keeps everything, including "provincial" military/security forces, but PRC decides foreign policy, and have a few military bases on east coast. The latter need not be invasion, which is outdated thinking from when PRC military in 90s had barely WW2 capabilities + western fascination with DDay. Think PRC blockade / quarantine of TW, control everything that goes in and out of island. Aka PRC siege TW. TW not food/energy secure. TW doesn't have the benefit of land borders to smuggle supplies like Yemen while also 5% the size of Yemen located under thrones throw from PRC military theatres. PRC siege while pressure domestic TW politics for capitulation, zero need for boots on the ground or project amphib force build up. BTW PRC can do this right now if it wasn't for US.

Those familiar with PRC/ROC history will see similarity in ROC closure policy (关闭政策) where ROC navy declared "closure" of ALL PRC ports and attempted to control PRC shipping between 1949 and 1979. Suspended after 30 years and not abolished until early 90s after ROC seized 140+ ships from Germany UK, Japan, Netherlands, Poland USSR against international standing and causing reputation harm. Along with ROC based U2s that conducted surveillance over mainland airspace for US from 60s-70s. Actual airspace, not ADIZ. So yeah, this isn't far fetched scenario, this is history rhyming.

Lastly TW gets a say too, forget memes about TW getting nukes or blowing up Three Gorges. There's already a handful of PRC coastal nuclear plants existing TW missiles can reach and fuckload more being built. Would be TW essentially signing suicide note, but options there.”
Interesting comment, but massively outdated (TSMC) now, and fundamentally wrong on some pretty key points.

Firstly, Taiwan has zero say on starting any war. Sure they can do so any time they want by formally declaring independence, but if they do that without express prior permission from the US, the US can and will leave Taiwan flapping in the breeze and do nothing as the PLA rolls in.

Taiwan is America’s ace in the hole, America and America alone will decide whether or not and when to start a war with China over Taiwan.

That is also why China cannot afford to continue to kick this can down the road forever.

Covid and trump has actually been a massive wake up call to Beijing in that regards. Because had China handled it badly and the west managed to live up to their hype and contain it, you can bet your bottom dollar America would have pushed Taiwan to formal independence, with American troops moving in on the same day to cement that status and turn Taiwan into one giant military base ready to strike into the heart of China with.

China is not godlike in its infallibility, so while Beijing has every confidence that it can continue to meet any new threats and challenges as effectively as it has always done, it cannot afford to assume that it will never make a mistake or simply suffer from some completely unforeseeable and unpreventable calamity at some point. As with any non-zero probability, over a long enough timeframe, it will happen.

In the past, China has counted upon American self interest as a safety net, as the economic and social cost of going to war with China was deemed to be war to high for America to actively choose war without prior Chinese provocation first, I also think Chinese leaders probably thought America as having more integration and self respect than to blatantly kick someone while they were down.

Trump dispelled all those delusions once and for all. High economic prices means nothing when lies and rhetoric are enough to sway the public to act against their own self interest; and Trump has absolutely shown America is far from being above kicking people when they are down. America will do it, and it will do it gleefully, to the thunderous applause of the western MSM and sheeple masses.

As such, I think it will be a strategic mistake for China to not act on Taiwan once it has a decisive and overwhelming military edge.

China does not have that overwhelming edge just yet, but Covid has massively humbled the US, and thus does present a rare opportunity for China to massively push forward its reunification timetable if it so chooses. Not saying China will invade, just pointing out that armed reunification is definitely a viable option now, and will remain so until the Covid situation is completely under control.

After which it may be ~2030 before the balance of power are again as favourable to China.
 

voyager1

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Interesting comment, but massively outdated (TSMC) now, and fundamentally wrong on some pretty key points.

Firstly, Taiwan has zero say on starting any war. Sure they can do so any time they want by formally declaring independence, but if they do that without express prior permission from the US, the US can and will leave Taiwan flapping in the breeze and do nothing as the PLA rolls in.

Taiwan is America’s ace in the hole, America and America alone will decide whether or not and when to start a war with China over Taiwan.

That is also why China cannot afford to continue to kick this can down the road forever.

Covid and trump has actually been a massive wake up call to Beijing in that regards. Because had China handled it badly and the west managed to live up to their hype and contain it, you can bet your bottom dollar America would have pushed Taiwan to formal independence, with American troops moving in on the same day to cement that status and turn Taiwan into one giant military base ready to strike into the heart of China with.

China is not godlike in its infallibility, so while Beijing has every confidence that it can continue to meet any new threats and challenges as effectively as it has always done, it cannot afford to assume that it will never make a mistake or simply suffer from some completely unforeseeable and unpreventable calamity at some point. As with any non-zero probability, over a long enough timeframe, it will happen.

In the past, China has counted upon American self interest as a safety net, as the economic and social cost of going to war with China was deemed to be war to high for America to actively choose war without prior Chinese provocation first, I also think Chinese leaders probably thought America as having more integration and self respect than to blatantly kick someone while they were down.

Trump dispelled all those delusions once and for all. High economic prices means nothing when lies and rhetoric are enough to sway the public to act against their own self interest; and Trump has absolutely shown America is far from being above kicking people when they are down. America will do it, and it will do it gleefully, to the thunderous applause of the western MSM and sheeple masses.

As such, I think it will be a strategic mistake for China to not act on Taiwan once it has a decisive and overwhelming military edge.

China does not have that overwhelming edge just yet, but Covid has massively humbled the US, and thus does present a rare opportunity for China to massively push forward its reunification timetable if it so chooses. Not saying China will invade, just pointing out that armed reunification is definitely a viable option now, and will remain so until the Covid situation is completely under control.

After which it may be ~2030 before the balance of power are again as favourable to China.
China should take Taiwan in ~2027. By that year the US Navy will have its lowest number of ships due to retiring them. The PLA also has their own 2027 goal and they should be strong enough to take it comfortably.

There are also new programs coming up online which would massively help China, by 2025 H-20 should start flying IMO etc


There is also that starting 2025 some reports say that the US will start fielding some systems which were explicitly designed for the countering China.

IMO 2026-7 should be ok. Not necessarily by military means, but cyberattacks, hybrid warfare etc and other methods could be employed


The more China drags the Taiwan issue the more chance that something bad happens
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Because the west is dying from internal problems, political corruptions and corona virus, so these minions needs to criticize China as a form of distractions under the disguise of human rights and God BS.
Which is f..ng annoying as f..ck. I didn't realize that being a product of Democracy one becomes blind, mute, deaf, and worst develop mental degradation as not to be aware of the various defects most Democratic countries are going through right now. So rather than facing these existential issues, they would rather look into "illiberal" countries like China and nitpick every issue and challenges it faces and declare a ha!! As you can see the CPC or See See Pee is quite impudent, incompetent, scary, genocidal and all the other adjectives one can think of against the government while ignoring the rate of successes the country has gone through from the inception and establishment of the PRC to the present moment.

Gun issues, health care, structural racism, rape, abortion, religion in politics, violence etc. are all topics that has been talked about, debated to death in the west and most especially in the U.S. What has all those dumb debates brought and wrought to the country? Nothing, zilch..these are the issues that will never be solved because their so called virtuous politicians are not at all interested in solving those problems. The issues are what's being used for fundraising to fund their elections and for those bozos to be elected in perpetuity. And rather than facing their problems the same bozos will just conveniently find an external foe or issues that are complex like trade, modern economy, globalization etc. and distill them into one simple answer: It's China’s fault. And to think that at one point I elevated those mo..ns as the pinnacle of government leadership with all their fancy law degrees from their fancy universities? No wonder there are more and more ordinary Americans without higher education are beginning to these people out because their supposed leaders have produced nothing but shit. And China is supposed to copy that system? Even one of the infamous quote that's widely attributed to Winston "madman" Churchill about the superiority of Democracy can hardly be classified as a ringing endorsement when he said: "No one pretends that Democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that Democracy is the WORST form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time." But he made this comment absent the context of the P.R.C. at it's current form and development, a system that's willing to adapt, change with the times while sticking to it's core founding principles of ONE China and never f..ng again.
 

azuazu

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I can see that you also have issues with your own countrymen (Singaporeans), besides issues with what I had to say as a non-countryman. Perhaps you expect a lot from everyone around you; in that you have a list of certain and non-accomodating expectations from your own countrymen, as well as foreigners about not breaching the sanctity of your country. I did see you also applied stereotyping and blanket statements on this group you dislike called Overseas Singaporeans.

Anyway this is out of topic and hence I should end this conversation and move on to others, and you may continue your vitriol if so desired.
You've labelled everyone in my country as anglo-cocksuckers and anti-Indian, anti-Black racists and continued to double down when called out for your bullshit.

At this point you might as well call yourself Mike Pompeo, seeing as how you're such a huge fan of his methods.
 

Gatekeeper

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Damn, the forum sure is different without you!

Thanks for your support. Keep safe over there with all the anti Asian sxxt. Don't forget people have guns. Especially the police and would not hesitate to use them, even if you're under age!

You've labelled everyone in my country as anglo-cocksuckers and anti-Indian, anti-Black racists and continued to double down when called out for your bullshit.

At this point you might as well call yourself Mike Pompeo, seeing as how you're such a huge fan of his methods.

@azuazu @Crang

Guys. I know I'm not a MOD. But just friendly advised. Please knock it off and just agree to disagree. We are on the same side. And I certainly doesn't want to see you both getting locked up like I was recently.
 

azuazu

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It's really fascinating as a country to observe. From my observations, there's this "he's one of the good ones" phenomenon for example like how Southerner Whites may regard certain black acquaintances as "one of the good ones". But I'm not an expert and would love to learn more.
Look here Mr. Zenz, you can't just frame Uyghur cotton workers as forced laborers because you remember that blacks were enslaved to handpick cotton in the land of the free.

In the same vein you can't just color the opinion of the entire nation of Singapore with your racist lens because the first thing that comes to your brain is how a Texan may look patronizingly at his colored neighbour.

I'm used to telling geographically illiterate people that Singapore is not in China, but this the first time I had to tell someone Singapore is not in America!
 

Gatekeeper

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Japan troops won’t get involved if China invades Taiwan, PM Yoshihide Suga says

SCMP - 21 Apr, 2021

Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga has emphasised that, despite a reference to Taiwan in a joint statement released after his recent meeting with US President Joe Biden, there is no possibility of Japanese forces being committed to any military contingency surrounding Taiwan.

In response to a question from an opposition politician in the Diet on Tuesday about the details of Japan’s commitment to Taiwan, Suga replied that the statement “does not presuppose military involvement at all”.

Analysts say Japan’s constitution would block the military from taking part in combat in the event China attempted to take Taiwan by force, although Japan could provide a range of logistical and rear-echelon support to the United States.

The wording of the statement – the first document signed by the Japanese and US leaders to refer to Taiwan SINCE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS between Tokyo and Beijing were normalised in 1972 – had been CLOSELY SCRUTINISED.

Biden and Suga called for “peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait”, the first reference to Taiwan – which Beijing claims as its territory – in a joint statement IN MORE THAN 50 YEARS. They also said they would counter China’s “intimidation” in the Asia-Pacific region.

China accused Japan and the US of sowing division, and said the two countries were inciting “group confrontation”. On the weekend, the People’s Liberation Army’s Eastern Theatre Command, which oversees the Taiwan Strait, deployed dozens of H-6K STRATEGIC BOMBERS in a NINE-HOUR LIVE-FIRE DRILL, according to state television.

Analysts said Suga’s latest comments to the Diet was Tokyo’s way of DRAWING A LINE under suggestions that the government could use a different interpretation of the constitution to give it freer reign to dispatch the military.

Ben Ascione, an assistant professor of international relations at Tokyo’s Waseda University, said Suga was IN A DIFFICULT POSITION over Taiwan.

“If he were to say nothing at all, then that could have had a negative effect on the Japan-US security alliance, but at the same time, Suga needed to make it clear to his domestic audience that Japan would not go to war over Taiwan,” he said.

Ascione said there were “many different scenarios” that could emerge surrounding Taiwan in the coming months and years, but the extent of Japanese involvement during an armed clash over the island was very likely to be limited to rear-area support and maintaining the present status quo under the constitution.

“I think a LOT OF FUSS has been made over the mention of Taiwan in the US-Japan joint statement and that Suga really needed to get out in front of that,” he said, pointing out that while Biden might have been hoping for a stronger expression of support from the Japanese leader in their first face-to-face meeting, Tokyo had insisted on “boilerplate language” that still emphasised peace and stability.

“I do not think we can expect Japan to do more than making incremental change for now,” Ascione said.

Yuko Ito, a professor of international relations at Asia University, agreed that Suga’s hands were presently tied by Japan’s war-renouncing constitution, which only permits the military to be deployed to defend the nation and its allies. But she added that there was a growing sense of concern in some quarters that Tokyo was being “too naive”.

“Taking part in military activities involving Taiwan would not be permitted under the constitution, but there are clearly deepening tensions in the region and it would already be too late if we only started a discussion on revising the constitution after China has attacked Taiwan,” Ito said.

“The majority of Japanese people are still against the use of the nation’s military power, so the debate on the constitution cannot take place,” she said.

“BUT THEY ALSO DO NOT REALISE ... that the Japanese military are carrying out a LOT OF JOINT EXERCISES with the US in areas VERY CLOSE to Taiwan as a message to China.

“If we have no discussions on changing or reinterpreting the constitution now and that debate can only take place after an invasion, then it is too late,” she said.

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The last time Japs venture out and was in Taiwan. It didn't end very well for the locals. Least we forget

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