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windsclouds2030

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There's no excuse for the atrocious track record of Chinese diplomacy and its media against these lies. One can simply compare 3-5 minute videos by the likes of Max Blumenthal and Ajit Singh of The Greyzone. They have next to no funding, no team, etc. Why are they so effective? They get to the point and they expose the hypocrisy, fake ngo Trojan Horses, fake news/propaganda, destroy the perceived credibility of Western "news", crimes and standard operating procedure of the Western imperialists.

Now, compare that to Chinese media like CGTN. It is long winded pointless rambling for close to 30 minutes. When I finish watching their shows, I feel like I wasted time. I learn next to nothing and most importantly, I don't even get the sense that the West is using terrorism or spreading lies against China. Chinese media/communication are awful.

I'll give specific examples of how utterly useless Chinese media is

Example 1
The Greyzone refers to Adrian Zenz as a right Christian homophobic fanatic.
Chinese media refers to Adrian Zenz as a researcher.
The Chinese have a chance to instantly annihilate his credibility but they act like his PR agent instead.

Example 2
The Greyzone refers to Western propaganda as propaganda, lies or, disinformation.
Chinese media refers to Western propaganda as misunderstandings or incorrect information.
Once again, Chinese media act like the PR agency for Western terrorists by using euphemisms to downplay Western criminality.

Example 3
The Greyzone refers to the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as the CIA's arm to overthrow democracies.
The Chinese media refers to National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as an ngo.
I hope I don't need to repeat myself here.

Keep in mind, some people will write excuses about how it's about funding, global reach, etc. It's nonsense. CGTN has millions of followers/subscribers. That's enough. They have a giant budget. They should have an army of researchers and programmers who can organize its content.

I have only scratched the surface. If China wants to survive and defeat Western imperialists then these excuses need to stop. Secondly, they should learn how to perform the most basic media functions instead of acting like a pr agency for their enemies.
You may wish to read what this smart American guy, RON UNZ, said, who himself is an author, Editor-in-Chief and PUBLISHER of the online media, THE UNZ REVIEW, about the dominance of the news media in English-speaking world by the media networks from the United States plus the junior partner, the former British Empire.

In below article, Unz mentioned about the Tiananmen Student Protest in 1984 and the bombing of the Chinese embassy in the Belgrade in 1999.... and how his personal belief in news truthfulness in these two examples developed over time, and it was not an easy journey of realization as the news bombing by the dominant media kingdom is shaping the every day opinions, news and information for those living in the West!

If you have some kind of illusion, or strong wish, that the Chinese state media (even in combination with the Russian ones) can directly match the overwhelming media domination by the USA + UK plus other Five-Eyes media in ENGLISH-speaking world... then you need to adjust your worldview to be more realistic! Media like CCTV / CGTN, RT, and so on maintain their relevance by staying closer to the truth, the verifiable facts compared to the Western MSM. But even being more cautious in articulating its narrative, media like CGTN or RT are still being banned in the UK.

In general, if you wanna read more outspoken contents, instead of CCTV / CGTN or Xinhua News Agency, you better go to the GLOBAL TIMES
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-- it pens its articles in more articulated ways.

I also know about Greyzone, Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton... I also like to read them... but you cannot simply demand the Chinese state media operates like this online media. Not reasonable for various considerations and lots of factors. I skip the explanation, too lengthy.

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RON UNZ is a theoretical physicist by training, with undergraduate and graduate degrees from Harvard University, Cambridge University, and Stanford University. In the late 1980s, he entered the financial services software industry, and soon founded Wall Street Analytics, Inc., a small but successful company in that field. A few years later, he became strongly involved in politics and public policy writing, and he has subsequently oscillated between software and public policy activities.


“I tend to doubt that Chinese leaders have any overwhelming commitment to the truth, and the reasons for their greater veracity are probably practical ones. American news and entertainment completely dominate the global media landscape and they face no significant domestic rival.

So China recognizes that it is vastly outmatched in any propaganda conflict, and as the far weaker party must necessarily try to stick closer to the truth, lest its lies be immediately exposed. Meanwhile, America’s overwhelming control over global information may inspire considerable hubris, with the government sometimes promoting the most outrageous and ridiculous falsehoods in the confident belief that a supportive American media will cover for any mistakes.”
RON UNZ

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Petrolicious88

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Registered Member
John Mearsheimer is from the Realism school of thought, and thus a proponent of this dog-eat-dog, Machiavellian view of the world. We all know his ideals.

The other panel member, if you watch the entire video, is actually proposing the world is better if we all work together, and positive engagement with China is beneficial. This is what China has been saying all along also.

Not saying official US policies is not currently leaning towards Mearsheimer’s views. But the video is an intellectual debate between two different camps.

Let’s not take it out of context.
 
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weig2000

Captain
There's no excuse for the atrocious track record of Chinese diplomacy and its media against these lies. One can simply compare 3-5 minute videos by the likes of Max Blumenthal and Ajit Singh of The Greyzone. They have next to no funding, no team, etc. Why are they so effective? They get to the point and they expose the hypocrisy, fake ngo Trojan Horses, fake news/propaganda, destroy the perceived credibility of Western "news", crimes and standard operating procedure of the Western imperialists.

Now, compare that to Chinese media like CGTN. It is long winded pointless rambling for close to 30 minutes. When I finish watching their shows, I feel like I wasted time. I learn next to nothing and most importantly, I don't even get the sense that the West is using terrorism or spreading lies against China. Chinese media/communication are awful.

I'll give specific examples of how utterly useless Chinese media is

Example 1
The Greyzone refers to Adrian Zenz as a right Christian homophobic fanatic.
Chinese media refers to Adrian Zenz as a researcher.
The Chinese have a chance to instantly annihilate his credibility but they act like his PR agent instead.

Example 2
The Greyzone refers to Western propaganda as propaganda, lies or, disinformation.
Chinese media refers to Western propaganda as misunderstandings or incorrect information.
Once again, Chinese media act like the PR agency for Western terrorists by using euphemisms to downplay Western criminality.

Example 3
The Greyzone refers to the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as the CIA's arm to overthrow democracies.
The Chinese media refers to National Endowment for Democracy (NED) as an ngo.
I hope I don't need to repeat myself here.

Keep in mind, some people will write excuses about how it's about funding, global reach, etc. It's nonsense. CGTN has millions of followers/subscribers. That's enough. They have a giant budget. They should have an army of researchers and programmers who can organize its content.

I have only scratched the surface. If China wants to survive and defeat Western imperialists then these excuses need to stop. Secondly, they should learn how to perform the most basic media functions instead of acting like a pr agency for their enemies.

Calm down. I share your strong sentiment and frustration on how Chinese media has been doing in debunking the western lies and myths. They're indeed not to the caliber of some of the western investigative journalism in some aspects. My feeling was even stronger when I was much younger, having been watching the space in many decades.

But we're talking about diplomacy, not media. Debunking these lies is only a small part of the diplomats' jobs. When asked about why Chinese diplomats have been quite active and even aggressive lately to counter the western lies and smearing in social media (being called "Wolf Diplomacy" and such), one Chinese diplomat was quoted saying that because Chinese media had done a poor job. By the way, how has the spokesperson from US State Department been doing? Have they done a masterful job? And, how about Russia's? Was Russia so much effective at changing the western world's views on Russia policies and Russia as a nation? I do think RT is much more influential in the West than CGTN. But so what?

You would have to fundamentally change the Chinese media industry in order to shape it in the direction of western media. You know what, while we're at it, why not change the Chinese political system, say, to have election every four years? That way, you have your leadership more accountable to the plebs and also, you may end up having more transparency, in theory anyway. Hell, why don't we just overthrow the CCP since they seem to stand in the way of these changes?

So where do we stop? China is different from the west, and it does not want to become the west. It's fundamentally a different civilization. And that's what has driven West nuts. China is big enough and powerful enough to hold it own and evolve in its own way and its own pace. You don't like it? That's your problem. Live with it.
 

windsclouds2030

Senior Member
Registered Member
On the topic of refugees, I was reading an article on Libya today, won’t post it because it’s not news at this point, but basically goes on about how it’s a terrible crisis since the revolution.

So much spilled ink over this analysis, when it could’ve been summed up as, “if you did not bomb the country to destabilize the government, there would be no crisis!”
And if the USA did not bomb LIBYA back into the cave age, that small yet oil rich country would have established a GOLD DINAR, a unified gold-backed dinar currency for the Northwestern African Economic Union (incl. those countries in the Maghreb region) led by Libya, and using the gold reserves from Libya.

The very fact that Libya under Muammar Gaddafi had already been selling Libyan oil using GOLD was a threat and bad example to spoil the Petrodollar regime as well as attacking the CFA Franc currency regime set up and controlled by France for the 14 countries in the West and Central Africa, its former colonies. Gaddafi knew the depreciating values of USD due to its excessive printing, thus he wanted to sell Libyan oil in GOLD to safeguard its values!

As a hindsight, it's amazing that Muammar Gaddafi was so naive and didn't foresee the very danger of challenging both the Petrodollar regime and CFA Franc currency regime! How a short fall of the World History killed him and buried his country!
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Most public defenders are actually public offenders. They get paid from the state, that tells you all you need to know where they loyalty lies... In truth, many of them horsetrade their "clients" to the prosecutor and that is why 95% of all cases in the US end up in plea bargains that never go to trial... they tell their clients to just plead it out and they don't have to do any work to defend their clients rights because their only purpose is to get them to sign away their rights and waive their right to trial by jury because if more people actually started exercising their rights, the entire court and legal system would collapse. That is why they tell you don't represent yourself (even though its your right) but then they are more than happy to assign you a public defender that just asks you to plea guilty even if you are innocent... its not cause they care about your quality of representation, they just want you to say you are guilty, to not clog up the system and to do your time so they get free slave labor for 40 cents /hr in the USA
He went on TV to plead his client's case. Public defenders already get paid no matter if they're good or not. So the public defender went the extra step most likely for his own personal publicity.
 

NiuBiDaRen

Brigadier
Registered Member
You may wish to read what this smart American guy, RON UNZ, said, who himself is an author, Editor-in-Chief and PUBLISHER of the online media, THE UNZ REVIEW, about the dominance of the news media in English-speaking world by the media networks from the United States plus the junior partner, the former British Empire.

In below article, Unz mentioned about the Tiananmen Student Protest in 1984 and the bombing of the Chinese embassy in the Belgrade in 1999.... and how his personal belief in news truthfulness in these two examples developed over time, and it was not an easy journey of realization as the news bombing by the dominant media kingdom is shaping the every day opinions, news and information for those living in the West!

If you have some kind of illusion, or strong wish, that the Chinese state media (even in combination with the Russian ones) can directly match the overwhelming media domination by the USA + UK plus other Five-Eyes media in ENGLISH-speaking world... then you need to adjust your worldview to be more realistic! Media like CCTV / CGTN, RT, and so on maintain their relevance by staying closer to the truth, the verifiable facts compared to the Western MSM. But even being more cautious in articulating its narrative, media like CGTN or RT are still being banned in the UK.

In general, if you wanna read more outspoken contents, instead of CCTV / CGTN or Xinhua News Agency, you better go to the GLOBAL TIMES
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-- it pens its articles in more articulated ways.

I also know about Greyzone, Max Blumenthal, Ben Norton... I also like to read them... but you cannot simply demand the Chinese state media operates like this online media. Not reasonable for various considerations and lots of factors. I skip the explanation, too lengthy.

========

RON UNZ is a theoretical physicist by training, with undergraduate and graduate degrees from Harvard University, Cambridge University, and Stanford University. In the late 1980s, he entered the financial services software industry, and soon founded Wall Street Analytics, Inc., a small but successful company in that field. A few years later, he became strongly involved in politics and public policy writing, and he has subsequently oscillated between software and public policy activities.


“I tend to doubt that Chinese leaders have any overwhelming commitment to the truth, and the reasons for their greater veracity are probably practical ones. American news and entertainment completely dominate the global media landscape and they face no significant domestic rival.

So China recognizes that it is vastly outmatched in any propaganda conflict, and as the far weaker party must necessarily try to stick closer to the truth, lest its lies be immediately exposed. Meanwhile, America’s overwhelming control over global information may inspire considerable hubris, with the government sometimes promoting the most outrageous and ridiculous falsehoods in the confident belief that a supportive American media will cover for any mistakes.”
RON UNZ

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What's with these surnames like Unz and Zenz anyway?
 
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