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weig2000

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Well I can think of the most recent "war" that happened in the Balkans, namely in Kosovo during the Operation Allied Force Nato operations - led by SACEUR Gen. Wesley K. Clark along with his subordinate commander, the deputy chief and the architect of the campaign, Ltd.Gen. Mike Short.

That war was mostly waged by the air assets of NATO countries primarily led of course by the U.S. After 78 days of bombing campaign then Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic capitulated in surrendering Kosovo. It was hailed back then as the first air operation that was able to compel the surrender of it's enemy.

Not to jump into the raging discussion between you guys, but just want to point out some fallacies of this analogy. ;-)

NATO's bombing of Serbia was not so much against the military targets. They were largely bombing the civilian facilities and infrastructure to bring to knees Serbia government and people. And it took 78 days.

On both accounts, it would be a terrible strategy to follow should mainland China decide to invade Taiwan.

First of all, PRC would not target civilian facilities or infrastructure unless it's absolutely necessary for military purposes. In other words, they would minimize collateral damages. It's easy to understand why.

Secondly, PLA does not have the luxury of taking 78 days of air bombing or something like that to take out all the targets. There is the risk of external intervention and international backlash. You also don't want a protracted war to lengthen the pains and sufferings of ordinary Taiwan people.

I think what's mostly likely to happen in such a Taiwan contingency is to start with targeted, intensive air & missile strikes against strategic targets such as airports, aircraft, air defense and command centers to degrade if not wipe out them. These will be followed by large-scale amphibious landing shortly. The whole campaign should take between 3-7 days. At least that should be the goal.
 

Shaolian

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This is the unfortunate reality for China's image in the 3rd world. With the exception of a few countries. The majority of the other countries only regards China as a cashcow rather than a genuine friend. These countries are gold diggers.

Now when China is rich and generous, they are happy to show China a friendly face. When China was weak, these countries would look down on it. Some of them even organize anti-Chinese progroms for an assortment of reasons. If one day America pays enough to the political class in these countries, they'll choose America anytime.

Don't get me wrong. China can and should do business with these countries. But China should treat them only in a business-like relationship. China should refrain from giving gifts to win their hearts. Don't allow these countries to take advantage of China's generosity. If these countries are asking for more like forgiving loans, or that China should invest more into them. China should ask for a price.

Malaysia is a terrible example. I dare say that at least 70% of the Malaysian populace believes in the BS that China created Covid-19 and spread it to the world to profit from selling Chinese masks, PPE, and vaccines. This BS was propagated by many influencers, and politicians. They forget the fact that China delivered Covid-19 aid and doctors to help Malaysia tremendously. But because of sheer incompetence, stupidity, and disgusting politics, Malaysia still screwed up its battle against Covid-19. But most Malaysians instead choose to blame China for Malaysia's failures. China's benevolence is not being appreciated at all. Next time, China should charge a fee to Malaysia for every assistance. No more free favours. Period.
I know, it's just like how the Chinese diaspora is treated by the majority natives, they only needed Chinese cash, but continuously suppressing them to have any political influence. But that is because the local Chinese does not have any martial leverage. China on the other hand, has the potential to replace the US as the preeminent military power of the world. And when that happens, we'll suddenly see those countries showing "deference" towards China, and I don't mind a bit if those feelings aren't really genuine.
 

voyager1

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This is the unfortunate reality for China's image in the 3rd world. With the exception of a few countries. The majority of the other countries only regards China as a cashcow rather than a genuine friend. These countries are gold diggers.

Now when China is rich and generous, they are happy to show China a friendly face. When China was weak, these countries would look down on it. Some of them even organize anti-Chinese progroms for an assortment of reasons. If one day America pays enough to the political class in these countries, they'll choose America anytime.

Don't get me wrong. China can and should do business with these countries. But China should treat them only in a business-like relationship. China should refrain from giving gifts to win their hearts. Don't allow these countries to take advantage of China's generosity. If these countries are asking for more like forgiving loans, or that China should invest more into them. China should ask for a price.

Malaysia is a terrible example. I dare say that at least 70% of the Malaysian populace believes in the BS that China created Covid-19 and spread it to the world to profit from selling Chinese masks, PPE, and vaccines. This BS was propagated by many influencers, and politicians. They forget the fact that China delivered Covid-19 aid and doctors to help Malaysia tremendously. But because of sheer incompetence, stupidity, and disgusting politics, Malaysia still screwed up its battle against Covid-19. But most Malaysians instead choose to blame China for Malaysia's failures. China's benevolence is not being appreciated at all. Next time, China should charge a fee to Malaysia for every assistance. No more free favours. Period.
Well you cant expect the World to properly respect China when so many of its people are poor and its cities and villages are in a "bad" condition.

I mean unless you count the 4 (?) Tier 1 Cities what else does China can show to the world. Poverty alleviation is good of course but it is an ongoing process which will take another decade or more for rural revitalization.

So.if China wants to inspire countries it needs to wait for another decade at least.
 

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A great video from Alexander Mercouris, spot on as always, 'Don't do unto others what you don't want done unto you.' the west had been using sanction as a weapon, now China is hitting back and the west is surprise and is complaining....LOL.


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China Boycotts Nike, H&M: West Baffled & Shocked

By Alexander Mercouris - 02 April 2021

Some people in the West are shocked, upset, dismayed, and astonished once the Chinese do to them what they themselves have been doing to so many people for so long!

It's fine for the West apparently to impose sanctions, restrictions, systems of economic coercion against businesses which trade with countries which take stances with which the West is unhappy and uncomfortable.

But it is shocking, it's astonishing, when the Chinese do the same, nonetheless that's indeed what's happening and what makes this particularly offensive and horrifying from a Western point of view is that it's actually going to have an effect that the West knows. This is something that is confirmed once again by that Financial Times article.

The outlook is clear, it goes on to say China runs its economy as it wishes, and it will not tolerate attention being drawn to human rights infringements. It is forcing brands into choosing between social responsibility and sales to one of the world's biggest consumer market.

The silent treatment it has given to H&M is only the start of that test. It's horrifying what the Chinese are doing. We would never do such a thing, even though of course we do. It's fine for us to bully a small company that sends a small business that sells Cuban coffee. But it's horrifying, it's completely shocking when the Chinese do it to a big company like H&M.

Moreover, because of the size of the Chinese market, because of the commercial imperative of selling to that market, there is the even greater horror and fear that maybe, maybe H&M will actually bend to what China wishes. Maybe companies like H&M and Nike rather than lose forever their position in the Chinese market and be massively diminished in consequence facing economic competition, commercial competition from companies that still trade with China, that they cannot themselves match, maybe those companies will bend to what Beijing wants and will do as Beijing wishes.

This, of course, underlines the key point about this affair. The United States especially, but the West collectively, in addition has been able to engage in this kind of economic pressure on companies and businesses for a very long time without having to fear any significant consequences, and in the certain knowledge that companies will always bend to its will because its own market has been far and away the biggest.

No company trading around the world until now was prepared to risk exclusion from the market of the United States. Now what the United States and Europe is encountering for the first time is that this same economic pressure is coming from a country, namely China, whose consumer market is comparable in scale and size to that of the United States, and which is growing even faster.

The economic boot is now on the other foot and the West doesn't like it at all!

And as we see from that Financial Times article, they don't really know in the West what to do about it. To repeat the very last sentence of this Financial Times article, the silent treatment China has given to H&M is only the start of that test. There is no clear explanation or follow-up to that sentence, there's no way of explaining what companies like H&M and Nike should do in this kind of situation.

Should they sacrifice their commercial future and possibly their long-term existence by doing what the West wants or should they persist in trading in China, buying in this case Xinjiang cotton, and do in the consequence defying and enraging those people in the West, who feel that buying Xinjiang cotton is wrong and should stop.

So, once more we see the demonstration, the reality that the West finds itself in a situation where it is not accustomed to. Up to now, for more than 70 years since the end of the second World War, it has felt itself able to strike these moralistic poses, in the knowledge that no one would be able to do to the West what the West is doing to other countries.

Now with the rising shot of China, that has changed, and the West for the first time is getting a dose of its own medicine. It has no real response to this. It does not know what to do, and it is floundering.

I'm afraid, just as I said in my previous program where I discussed the sanctions that China has imposed on activists in the West. The West will need to get used to the fact, the world where the US and the West imposed its ideas and values upon others and found that those others had no way to retaliate or respond or act in kind has now passed.

We are in a different world from now and this lesson needs to be learned fully and quickly in Western capitals. We will see if it will be. Thank you for joining me for this program...

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windsclouds2030

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It is almost 70 years since China declare themselves liberated with the promise to get rid of corrupt government, increasing living standard and reunify the country once again.

They did 2 out 3 but the last one has not realized and it will never realized in my life time if the policy of "win win strategy, peaceful rise, peaceful reunification" continue
Certainly those policy end up in failure. The west has no intention to let China peacefully rise, The same with Taiwan reunification It is complete failure Taiwan is drifted further and further day by day.
So China need to reevaluate their failed strategy.

Nobody want to send other people husband, son or brother to die . Every single life is precious But Taiwan is like albatross hanging on China neck without freeing from it China rise as great power is in question.
China will be forever hemmed in first island chain.
It is complete mystery to me why China does not get serious with reunification. They have the mean and power to do it . There is no more excuses all their attempt to do it peacefully has been thwarted.

So get serious I know of no country get reunify peacefully except Germany Thru history it can be only be achieved with force!
Just have patience! Prior to the current 'gloves are off' rivalry and tensions, I also think that I may never witness the reunification of the renegade island in my lifetime!

But now the situation is changing drastically since the last 2-3 years, and thus we saw what happened in Anchorage.

And if you read Chas Freeman's article on Taiwan, you may realize that the reunification time may not wait for that long, not decade to come.

Just be cool head and have patience, the final move will be extremely crucial, and the move should only be executed if only it's a winning one! Cannot just gamble there. A deferral does not mean a loss.

At the worse case scenario, I even imagine that if the renegade island declares its official secession, Beijing's answer is definitely NO, but pending any physical movement... but will never accept the partition...
WHAT will prevent China from executing its rights to take back its property in the future when the nation has be advancing so much and be so powerful... that no single nation or even an alliance is willing to stand on her path... ever think like that?

Be patient and remains optimistic for the future! :D
 

windsclouds2030

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Typical Western cowardice: oh we're out of time, thank you for coming!

Yes, you're out of time. Your imperialism is out of time!
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Regina Ip fought back against BBC: Succeeded to KO the BBC Host who attacked China through Xinjiang


Recently, Mrs Regina Ip Lau Suk-yee, a member of the Legislative Council of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region and chairman of the New Democratic Party, was interviewed by the BBC program Hardtalk. However, when it comes to the Hong Kong election system, the host's question is provocative. The host also attacked China through the Xinjiang issue.

In the face of a series of ill-intentionally framed questions, Mrs Regina Ip not only launched incisive rhetorical questions, but also come up with the truth to face the lies spread by the BBC host.

After the Xinjiang related lies were exposed, the BBC host showed his true colors, so he had to end the interview in a hurry because of "lack of time".
 

Sardaukar20

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I know, it's just like how the Chinese diaspora is treated by the majority natives, they only needed Chinese cash, but continuously suppressing them to have any political influence. But that is because the local Chinese does not have any martial leverage. China on the other hand, has the potential to replace the US as the preeminent military power of the world. And when that happens, we'll suddenly see those countries showing "deference" towards China, and I don't mind a bit if those feelings aren't really genuine.
Maybe this is a kind of poetic justice. These countries were so happy to suppress and massacre their Chinese ethnic populations when America encourages it. Now that China has grown in status and power, they have no choice but to be nice to China or else they could miss out on the new gravy train.

On the surface, this lack of sincerity towards China is not a big problem. But on the longer term, this two-faced attitude usually results in anti-China people eventually getting elected. Well, because that's how democracy works. Then all those years of relationship building with China is reset back to zero.

In Malaysia prior to 2018, the government, led by Najib Razak, was so called more 'pro-China'. They were so happy to invite Chinese investments into Malaysia. But among Malaysians, they were constantly hyping up Sinophobic sentiments to distract the public from their grotesque corruption. Then came the Malaysian 2018 general election. The Mahathir-led government took power and then went on an witch-hunt on Chinese investments and businesses. Many Chinese invested projects were either canceled or renegotiated into terms greatly favoring Malaysia. Chinese loans were also renegotiated so easily. Mahathir then went to Japan to have them take China's place as creditor and FDI; with great cheers from much of the Malaysian public. This is China's reward for being a good friend to Malaysia. Its mostly Malaysia's loss off course. Japan just cannot match China's FDI's strength and generosity. But if China is looking to make a new friend in Malaysia with money, it is clearly not working.

So, China's work to build hearts and minds in insincere countries with money is not good investment. My advise to China is to deal with these countries on a purely business-like basis. If they had signed contracts or had taken loans from China. Don't allow them to renegotiate so easily. Off course, do this only for untrustworthy countries like Malaysia. Other, more sincere countries can be given much better leeway.
 
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Yawn. The EU should not project their values on China.

Man, these coming years will be very tiring hearing all this human rights talk..
They really seem to love lecturing other nations on human rights even though there human rights records are simply not up to par given there actions in the Middle East and the current actions during the pandemic. Hence if the current disaster continues to get worse in Europe. And America, I won’t feel too much sympathy for these rather annoying lot as they are increasingly deserving each and every disaster that is happening to them given the lack of reflection on themselves and there lack of regard of human rights. They are almost seriously trying there best to get themselves killed at this rate. The world should be thanking China at any rate for not snaping and nuking these morons for delivering these tone death speeches almost every single week while continuing to be hypocrites
 
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