Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

j17wang

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Canada debacle really delayed CanSino's trial results. Otherwise, CanSino would have been a front runner now.

Not quite, Cansino's trial in Canada was supposed to be a Phase II, not a Phase III. By the time it was supposed to start, Cansino was already organizing Phase III and had already published results for Phase II in Lancet.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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I’m not sure China is doing this out of the goodness of its heart. Those vaccines do cost money you know. It isn’t like they are being given away for free.
1. China cannot relax its pandemic control mechanisms without a majority of population being vaccinated, that's just the result of the vaccines' efficacy rate.
2. China now doesn't have a significant outbreak.
3. More Chinese vaccines are being tested and more production facilities are being constructed. So we can expect significantly increased supplies down the road. Which means the vaccination drive will be back-loaded anyway.

It's therefore better for both the humanity and the global economy that China supplies more vaccines to smaller countries with worse outbreaks rather than uses most of its current production capacity to vaccinate its own population. This will only delay China's own vaccination program for a short time (given the size of China's population and back-loadedness of its production capacity), but hasten smaller & worse affected countries' vaccination program by a lot so they can 1) prevent infections and 2) restart their economy.

It's really Decision Theory 101.
From @OppositeDay's decision theory, this makes sense. Chinese citizens are by and large safe from COVID. By sending vaccines to developing nations, it helps lift up global economic recovery more quickly. This benefits China. Since vaccinating Chinese citizens isn't a priority right now. In this regard, 'selling' vaccines to developing nations at the same time as 'selling' vaccines to Chinese citizens is a good idea. At the same time, certainly there is an element of goodwill and compassion involved. And it is also geopolitically a win. It's quite win-win.
 

Gatekeeper

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This is already annoying... what use whatever breakdown method that suits them... like pollution they take the total CO2 figure but never mention per capita... when China GDP exceeded or are about to exceed them they go from total to per capita... it’s really irritating when they make these arguments

My young apprentice. This is the art of deception being played by the west since I was a young apprentice! And no doubt before even my masters were young apprentice.

@solarz

"Does it affect your very sense of self-worth to see Communist Red China on path to become the new global leader? Do you lie awake at night distressing about the ever growing might of the People's Republic?"

I think you find that. The people coming from former communist countries (Which @othan has profess to have hailed from) tends to be more fervent anti-communist than the folks in the west.

It is almost like the Indians in the west is more xenophobic than the white folks. It is almost seems like they have to prove their credentials.
 
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Gatekeeper

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I’m not sure China is doing this out of the goodness of its heart. Those vaccines do cost money you know. It isn’t like they are being given away for free.

@solarz @Crang
@Dolcevita

Come on @siegecrossbow that's a bit disingenuous. When was the last time any western countries did anything out of the goodness of their heart?

The western nations aids budget (which includes private aids) that they keep laudung all about all the time to their general populace, comes with stacks of condition applied. Yet we are expected to hold China to a higher standards. Gee.
 

Phead128

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China has such low rates of new infections that clinical trials have to be performed elsewhere in the world. That's a great "problem" to have because you largely controlled the pandemic in your borders so phase 1,2,3 has to be done outside China.

Whereas US can do local trials and enroll local patients quickly and have sufficient COVID cases due to surging infection rates and conclude clinical trials faster, and get FDA authorization much quicker.

The US can feel better they are first to market, but they are the number #1 corona hotspot, so they actually need it. China is making above average progress with a largely controlled pandemic, which is in a envious position in grand scheme of things.

Leave it to the Westerners trying to spin a positive to a negative given China's unique circumstances of controlled pandemic and less urgency to mass vaccinate like hotspots US/UK.
 
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