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horse

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do understand what's meaning prototype?? if they not assemble it will not become prototype.
Your whole premise of having a prototype, is simply ridiculous.

You really are suggesting there are no prototypes, and the money going into these projects are starting from scratch, and there is no such thing as China speed.

The disinformation only comes from one side in these threads, and seems to me the goal is to subvert.

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coolieno99

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The thing is if they hiding patent infringements if get caught outsider can accuse "China stealing". how many company involve in this project it will get huge retaliation not only from US maybe include EU. worst case is sanction financially it will cripples their access to financial market. If openly patent infringement its only company to company disputes. Same like Samsung and Apple just do open and shamelessly claim own technology, lets court decide.

China need confidence is more than ever. They want to opening up financial market need confidence. If we saw all what government do when US put sanction on Huawei? do nothing until today no unreliable entity coming out yet. What they do when US sell arm to Taiwan? one of the company sanction Boeing defense unit. Its fucking businesses unit, China doesn't have ball to sanction all Boeing group. US can banned Huawei Group, the only dangerous they talking is 5G unit, but all group got sanction. Boeing sell weapon to Taiwan only defense unit get sanction. from this event we can see China seeking stability.
China will tried to avoid infringing on patents because China herself is one of the largest generator of patents.

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China has overtaken the US as the world’s leading researcher, generating 58,990 patents in 2019 compared with America’s 57,840.

This is the first time since 1978 that the US has lost its position as the world’s leading producer of patent-winning inventions or innovations. (See animation below.)
The figures were published by the
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, a specialized agency of the United Nations.
Francis Gurry, WIPO director general, says: “China’s rapid growth to become the top filer of international patent applications via WIPO underlines a long-term shift in the locus of innovation towards the East, with Asia-based applicants now accounting for more than half of all PCT applications.”
In 1999, WIPO received 276 applications from China. By 2019, that number rose to 58,990 – a 200-fold increase in only 20 years, Gurry notes.
 

Xizor

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VIA sells technologies including x86 to Shanghai Zhaoxin for $257 million

VIA Technologies announced on October 26 that it is selling certain intellectual property rights (excluding patent rights) related to chip products to Shanghai Zhaoxin, in which it holds an indirect 14.75% stake, in a transaction valued at $139 million.

The deal is made through VIA's 100%-owned subsidiaries VIABASE and VIATECH.

In addition, VIABASE will sell certain intellectual property rights (excluding patents) related to processor technology and data to Shanghai Zhaoxin, in a transaction valued at $118 million.

The total value of the transaction is $257 million, and VIA will receive a profit of $197 million.

Chen Wen-Chi, chairman of VIA, said that the decision to sell the intellectual property was made after long discussions between VIA and Shanghai Zhaoxin ICs, based on their long-standing relationship, and that the two companies will continue to work together in the future.

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Mt1701d

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Nobody:

Fox News: "China steals asml secrets to build lithography machine"
I think a more fixing scenario would be:

Chinese people: clap

People with some doubts or don’t care: “meh whatever”

People who have made up their minds or brainwashed: “China stole tech to build lithography machine”

Fox News, all Indian media and Rupert Murdoch: “We have conclusive evidence China hacked ASML” without showing anything
 

daifo

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Any idea if x86 is a dead end for China? Will intel pull the plug on mass adoption? I am waiting for the day that China to at least get a "chrome os" level of device for the masses. Seems like most Chinese CPU is targeted for gov, uni/research, some business or hobbyist.

VIA sells technologies including x86 to Shanghai Zhaoxin for $257 million

VIA Technologies announced on October 26 that it is selling certain intellectual property rights (excluding patent rights) related to chip products to Shanghai Zhaoxin, in which it holds an indirect 14.75% stake, in a transaction valued at $139 million.

The deal is made through VIA's 100%-owned subsidiaries VIABASE and VIATECH.

In addition, VIABASE will sell certain intellectual property rights (excluding patents) related to processor technology and data to Shanghai Zhaoxin, in a transaction valued at $118 million.

The total value of the transaction is $257 million, and VIA will receive a profit of $197 million.

Chen Wen-Chi, chairman of VIA, said that the decision to sell the intellectual property was made after long discussions between VIA and Shanghai Zhaoxin ICs, based on their long-standing relationship, and that the two companies will continue to work together in the future.

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free_6ix9ine

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Any idea if x86 is a dead end for China? Will intel pull the plug on mass adoption? I am waiting for the day that China to at least get a "chrome os" level of device for the masses. Seems like most Chinese CPU is targeted for gov, uni/research, some business or hobbyist.

Yes dead end. RISC-V is better route to take. X86 consumes too much power. Not useful for running on mobile devices.
 

weig2000

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Hard to get any clarity about this supposedly change in mind. But banning chip sales to Huawei's mobile business creates the biggest collateral damages to global tech industry while also hitting Huawei the hardest from a revenue standpoint. The ban does not hurt Huawei's 5G business immediately because of the chip stockpile, and won't for some time.

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Chinese company could be handed lifeline if sanctions less severe than previously thought

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The US is allowing a growing number of chip companies to supply Huawei with components as long as these are not used for its 5G business, people briefed by Washington said, in a potential lifeline for the Chinese group.

Analysts believe this could mean that tough US sanctions this year against China’s leading technology group could be less threatening to its overall business than previously thought. While the sanctions would still pose a grave challenge to Huawei’s 5G business, the company’s important smartphone arm might have a chance to recover.

The US Department of Commerce “has been telling companies in recent conversations that while licences to supply Huawei are handled with a view to denial, this can be overcome if you can demonstrate that your technology does not support 5G”, said a semiconductor executive involved in dialogue with the department, referring to the cutting-edge telecoms infrastructure.

Executives at two Asian semiconductor companies said they were optimistic that their applications for licences to resume shipments to Huawei would be approved. “It has been indicated to us that chips for mobile devices are not a problem,” said one of them.

Washington barred companies worldwide from manufacturing for or selling to the Chinese group components that used US technology, under rules imposed in May and then tightened in August. Given the central role of US technology in the global semiconductor industry, the sanctions threatened to choke off Huawei’s access to chips.

But recently Washington has appeared more willing to permit companies to supply Huawei with components for non-5G uses. The display unit of South Korea’s Samsung Electronics said on Tuesday that it had received a US licence for shipping organic light-emitting diodes, or OLED displays, for handsets to Huawei.

“We believe this is a strong indication the US intends to allow Huawei to stay in the handset business, since, as we have argued, it does not present an obvious national security threat to the US,” wrote Edison Lee, an analyst at Jefferies, in a research note.

Mr Lee said Japan’s Sony and Chinese-owned OmniVision, headquartered in California, had also been granted licences to supply Huawei with CMOS image sensors — chips used in smartphone cameras.

OmniVision did not respond to a request for comment.

At an earnings briefing on Wednesday, Sony declined to comment on whether it had been granted a licence to resume selling its image sensors for use in Huawei smartphones.

Sony was forced to cut its full-year profit guidance for its image sensor business by 38 per cent after halting its sales to Huawei from September 15.

The US government, which has argued for more than a decade that Huawei’s telecoms infrastructure equipment could pose a security threat, originally put the Chinese company on a list of entities subject to export controls last year.

In the year that followed, more than 300 companies applied for licences to allow them to continue doing business with Huawei, of which about one-third were granted. US chip companies Intel and AMD were among those that received a licence. Intel has continued to supply Huawei with processors for servers in its cloud computing business.

After a second wave of sanctions was announced in May, Huawei started stockpiling the chips needed to power its telecoms networking gear, such as base stations. Its telecoms infrastructure unit, which builds and manages mobile networks for carriers from China Mobile to Deutsche Telekom, has enough inventory for about two years, according to industry executives.

But Huawei’s consumer business, which accounts for more than half of its revenue, was harder hit. The tougher US restrictions announced in August not only block contract chipmakers from manufacturing the latest smartphone processor designed by Huawei in-house, but also bar vendors such as Taiwan’s MediaTek from selling it off-the-shelf chipsets.

Jefferies’ Mr Lee said if Washington was willing to allow Huawei’s smartphone business to survive, both US chip company Qualcomm and MediaTek could receive licences later this year to resume sales of certain chips needed for smartphones to Huawei.

However, industry experts caution against too high expectations on the matter, pointing to what they say are the Trump administration’s erratic policy decisions.
 
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