Chinese Economics Thread

gelgoog

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Yeah and then witness the kind of bankruptcies and economic ruin the likes of which you have never seen before. After that, let’s see if either candidate does anything to fix the problem. If they can do that, someone’s head is going to roll. All this pain is inflicted by Trump and his idiotic supporters. Hence they need to suffer hard for there stupidity

They always assume it will be a repeat of the Japan experience in the 1980s. But the notion that Japan would have a larger economy, in aggregate GDP, than the USA was always ludicrous. Japan has less than half the amount of people. Japan also had an economic model for consumer products where they tried a product in Japan first and then sold it in the USA. This kind of worked as Japan had similar standards to the USA in things like electric voltage and television signals, etc. It was much harder for, say, European companies to sell in the USA because of this. In comparison the European consumer market was much more fragmented. Nowadays the same model does not apply as easily. You have multi-voltage transformers in products. There is a more or less uniform standard for telecommunications signals (5G, WiFi). Video signals also a lot more standard with HDMI. So basically you can manufacture a product you can sell worldwide a lot easier. This has been seen with the rise of China as the major export nation as it replaces Japan and South Korea in major consumer technologies.

China has enough population that it can be a major consumer market by itself. A Chinese does not need to export to other countries to have massive success. This is similar to the situation US companies enjoyed in the past. Chinese companies still have issues today with global market penetration however. To a degree this is similar to the issues Japan and South Korea had before. There is the language barrier for one, this is especially important in the services industry, and the other issue is the much smaller capital market available in China. This makes it harder to scale up a company quickly. But with the introduction of capital markets in China things are changing a lot. The language barrier might not be solvable that easily but it is a two-edged sword in that it means foreign companies also have harder access going into China.

In the long term I see China having a lot of success with consumer products and services which don't require a lot of costumer interaction.
For China to win in consumer facing services it would be a lot harder but with the increasing use of the online sales and services model I don't think this will be that of a big deal. But China will have to make their banking and money transfer models more internationalized. Even if they have to use a separate currency for this it needs to happen. The US simply abuses its position in the sector way too much for China to do otherwise.
 

weig2000

Captain
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Doesn't matter as "some" member"s" in here say the US has unlimited money.

In nominal dollar terms, China's GDP will be around 75% and 80% of the US GDP, respectively in 2020 and 2021. The appreciation of RMB will play a role, though that appreciation will really just regain some lost ground during the last two years' trade war.
 

xiabonan

Junior Member
Most nationalist/ jingoists on the other side of the pacific still hold on to the view that China is extremely dependent on their markets to survive. That worldview is hastened by their slavery/ sheepery to fringe media anchors and influencers ( almost always senile/ uncle age) who give a very lopsided view of China - slightly better than North Korea, Farmers all around, agrarian, poor and Soviet lifestyle allover.
Its almost as if these right wing not-snowflakes are offloading their understanding of China that they got when they were young ( 1980s -1990s) to the 2020s youth.

Apparently, Latin America, Africa, SE Asia, South Asia, Central Asia, Middle East and Europe doesn't use Chinese products.

At this point, it's just beyond helping. Just watch and smile.
It's not that Americans think those parts of the world don't use Chinese products - they merely don't think about those countries.

In the world where Americans live in, they are the god and centre of the universe, the developed world are the planets orbiting them, and China is like this intrusive comet coming right at them, whereas the rest of world are just space dust - they know it's there but never think about or pay much attention to them.
 
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Deleted member 15887

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Untied States GDP growth annually is probably going to be a little more than 2% going forward (in a normal year) until who knows when.

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dEcOuPlInG!!!!
Yeah, "World's second-largest economy decouples from the World's largest economy" sounds like an immense self-own lmao.
 
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