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Trueanalog workers sit at long, green tables under fluorescent lights assembling audio speakers.Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

China’s currency, the renminbi, has strengthened only slightly against the dollar in recent months. It has also weakened 6 percent against the euro since the start of May, even though Europe faces a severe recession.
Foreign economists suspect the Chinese government has used its tight control of the country’s financial system to keep the renminbi weak. Brad Setser, an economist at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, said the most likely explanation for the currency’s performance this summer was that state-owned or state-controlled Chinese banks and other financial institutions were shifting some of their immense assets, selling vast sums of renminbi and buying dollars or euros to prop up those currencies.


The People’s Bank of China has said, including
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, that it is not manipulating the renminbi, but has also said it is committed to maintaining a mostly stable value for the currency.

A factory in southern China that makes steel parts for use by other manufacturers. China has retained production of fairly low-tech industries even as wages have surged.

A factory in southern China that makes steel parts for use by other manufacturers. China has retained production of fairly low-tech industries even as wages have surged. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times


The production of steel parts in factories like this one has mostly stayed in China instead of moving to lower-wage countries like Vietnam or Bangladesh.

The production of steel parts in factories like this one has mostly stayed in China instead of moving to lower-wage countries like Vietnam or Bangladesh. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times


Exporters in China are often able to find all the parts they need for their products within a couple of hours’ drive.

Exporters in China are often able to find all the parts they need for their products within a couple of hours’ drive. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

China’s advantages go beyond a weak currency, however. China has built a 700-city bullet train network in a decade. It also has an abundance of labor, a culture of long working hours and tightly restricted unions. Manufacturers are not as encumbered by environmental laws against pollution as in many other countries.
Robert Gwynne, a shoe manufacturing and exports specialist in Guangdong, said reviving competitiveness in the United States and elsewhere to compete with China would not be quick or easy.
“To get it back,” he said, “you’re looking at 20 to 30 years, depending on what business you’re in.”


To be sure, China’s dominance of global manufacturing could be hurt by geopolitical shifts, such as if other countries demand that companies move part of their supply chains elsewhere. The United States and Japan have begun to do so. European governments like France’s have started to move in the same direction, particularly for medical supplies. Large companies with the capacity to set up entirely new supply chains elsewhere, like Foxconn of Taiwan and Apple, are exploring alternatives.

But the pandemic, which has grounded many flights and slowed logistics, has shielded China at least temporarily from attempts to move factories to other countries. Many multinationals have cut back on investment as global demand has slowed, and so have little money to set up new operations elsewhere.

“In the middle of a global recession, companies are not going to divest unless trade barriers force them,” said Joerg Wuttke, the president of the European Chamber of Commerce in China. “Companies would rather close facilities than open up new ones.”
 

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Trueanalog workers sit at long, green tables under fluorescent lights assembling audio speakers.

Trueanalog workers sit at long, green tables under fluorescent lights assembling audio speakers.Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

China’s currency, the renminbi, has strengthened only slightly against the dollar in recent months. It has also weakened 6 percent against the euro since the start of May, even though Europe faces a severe recession.
Foreign economists suspect the Chinese government has used its tight control of the country’s financial system to keep the renminbi weak. Brad Setser, an economist at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, said the most likely explanation for the currency’s performance this summer was that state-owned or state-controlled Chinese banks and other financial institutions were shifting some of their immense assets, selling vast sums of renminbi and buying dollars or euros to prop up those currencies.


The People’s Bank of China has said, including
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, that it is not manipulating the renminbi, but has also said it is committed to maintaining a mostly stable value for the currency.

A factory in southern China that makes steel parts for use by other manufacturers. China has retained production of fairly low-tech industries even as wages have surged.

A factory in southern China that makes steel parts for use by other manufacturers. China has retained production of fairly low-tech industries even as wages have surged. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times


The production of steel parts in factories like this one has mostly stayed in China instead of moving to lower-wage countries like Vietnam or Bangladesh.

The production of steel parts in factories like this one has mostly stayed in China instead of moving to lower-wage countries like Vietnam or Bangladesh. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times


Exporters in China are often able to find all the parts they need for their products within a couple of hours’ drive.

Exporters in China are often able to find all the parts they need for their products within a couple of hours’ drive. Credit...Andrea Verdelli for The New York Times

China’s advantages go beyond a weak currency, however. China has built a 700-city bullet train network in a decade. It also has an abundance of labor, a culture of long working hours and tightly restricted unions. Manufacturers are not as encumbered by environmental laws against pollution as in many other countries.
Robert Gwynne, a shoe manufacturing and exports specialist in Guangdong, said reviving competitiveness in the United States and elsewhere to compete with China would not be quick or easy.
“To get it back,” he said, “you’re looking at 20 to 30 years, depending on what business you’re in.”


To be sure, China’s dominance of global manufacturing could be hurt by geopolitical shifts, such as if other countries demand that companies move part of their supply chains elsewhere. The United States and Japan have begun to do so. European governments like France’s have started to move in the same direction, particularly for medical supplies. Large companies with the capacity to set up entirely new supply chains elsewhere, like Foxconn of Taiwan and Apple, are exploring alternatives.

But the pandemic, which has grounded many flights and slowed logistics, has shielded China at least temporarily from attempts to move factories to other countries. Many multinationals have cut back on investment as global demand has slowed, and so have little money to set up new operations elsewhere.

“In the middle of a global recession, companies are not going to divest unless trade barriers force them,” said Joerg Wuttke, the president of the European Chamber of Commerce in China. “Companies would rather close facilities than open up new ones.”


This was very clear by end of March or so when the virus was completely under control in China.

The rest of the world was going to shut down while China can dominate the manufacturing space even more despite lower demand.


Multinationals know this as well thats why manufacturing in places like India is only a political gesture.
 
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This one is of particular note to me:
Lu Ming, a professor at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, believes that China should make its big cities even bigger. Despite the government having the opposite view a few years ago when Beijing tried to develop a host of small cities and towns, Lu’s call for China to focus its urbanisation plan on its big cities is now being endorsed.

TBH, it seems kind of self-harming to try to restrict the growth and amalgamation of the country's biggest cities. I mean, Tokyo does well for itself primarily because it has such a huge labour pool concentrated in its urban area. Keeping labour in the country divided into little small, less developed cities seems really inefficient. China ought to build up Shanghai, Pearl River Delta into even bigger megacities to better develop the country. Thoughts?
 

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This one is of particular note to me:
Lu Ming, a professor at Shanghai Jiao Tong University, believes that China should make its big cities even bigger. Despite the government having the opposite view a few years ago when Beijing tried to develop a host of small cities and towns, Lu’s call for China to focus its urbanisation plan on its big cities is now being endorsed.

TBH, it seems kind of self-harming to try to restrict the growth and amalgamation of the country's biggest cities. I mean, Tokyo does well for itself primarily because it has such a huge labour pool concentrated in its urban area. Keeping labour in the country divided into little small, less developed cities seems really inefficient. China ought to build up Shanghai, Pearl River Delta into even bigger megacities to better develop the country. Thoughts?


Bigger cities are more efficient overall. Question is how? Will they abolish hukou?

To increase domestic consumption they need to increase economic freedom and appreciate the yuan.
 
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Bigger cities are more efficient overall. Question is how? Will they abolish hukou?

To increase domestic consumption they need to increase economic freedom and appreciate the yuan.

I would hope they would start by eliminating population caps on Beijing and Shanghai, free up land for development, build metropolitan rail networks like Tokyo in the YRD, PRD, etc.
 
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Posted this in the Indian Economics thread, but thought it was relevant to China:

How likely do you think India will be successful in attracting manufacturing?

Apparently, they have already attracted over Foxconn, Pegatron, Samsung, etc for phone manufacturing with their recent PLI program. Knowing Foxconn's history (closed in Brazil, scammed Wisconsin, and they promised 1 million Indian workers back in 2015, what happened lol?), one can be skeptical.
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(Foxconn to build 12 factories, employ 1 million in India by 2020)

But I don't think China should take India lightly. Manufacturing is a sector for strategic geopolitical importance (look at how China has leverage over the US due to its immense supply chain capacity and electronics manufacturing), and its not something China should just give up and sacrifice for the misguided pursuit of a predominantly service economy (look how well that suited the US in this pandemic). In my view, China needs to do whatever it can to keep manufacturers away from India at all costs (toys, shoes and shirts can go, but electronics, cars, industrial equipment, and components must stay), whether thru increased subsidies or by providing mass automation infrastructure/investments, in order to keep as much of global manufacturing as possible within their borders. If Xiaomi can do it in China with fully automated smartphone assembly, Foxconn certainly can, and with the Chinese government's help, they can be less likely to leave en masse (although preferably, the government would sponsor and support Luxshare to the point it can dethrone Foxconn, which has gone lazy in the past several years being unwilling to invest in automation and industrial upgrading, preferring to fall back on cheap, exploitable workers)
 
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