If China or Bytedance agree to Trumps terms, then China truly deserve to be bullied. It’s would be a massive embarrassment, and signals to the entire world that China is weak.
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Whatever Microsoft is willing to pay, minus the Trump Transaction Fee (TTF) then Chinese government should just pay that to ByteDance and not allow ByteDance to sell to the US. Call Trumps bluff, if he bans, he bans... but that would be preferable than continuing to subsidize and reward the continued American theft/rape of Chinese IP/companies...
Then whatever amount Chinese government had to pay ByteDance, it takes that out from the Phase I Trade Deal that it would have spent from purchases from the US.
solarz
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As usual, you're talking nonsense. Byte Dance is insignificant, it needs to sink or swim on its own.
Tiktok is only the first step in the future of entertainment. The most important lesson here is that AI is the future. There will be other innovative and successful apps coming out of China.
If Huawei was having difficulty convincing Chinese app makers to use its OS, I'm sure they won't have any after this.
If it was insignificant the US wouldn't be going after it like this and making a big deal out of it.
This is to fend off the possibility of TikTok being ubiquitous worldwide, then China using it as app to help spread its digital Yuan platform to directly challenge the dollar... This is way more than just dancing videos or " entertainment "... Think of it as WeChat payments but for the West/entire rest of the world and tied to digital blockchain Yuan.
Facebook started out as a online yearbook, Amazon for selling books for college, and Google as just a search engine...
Look at where they are all now? You are not seeing the much bigger picture here.
I don't see why TikTok would have any direct role to play in DC/EP spread. Even though you have a user base for TikTok, you have to have a separate app to handle DC/EP which is totally unrelated to TikTok function and use.
solarz
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The US going after something doesn't make it significant.
The US is in a period of stagnation. Look at Facebook, Youtube, Twitter. All 15 year old technologies! What has changed in the last decade? Facebook is still friends and posts, Youtube is still doing videos, and Twitter is still doing 120 char limits. Meanwhile, look at Tiktok: AI controlled content delivery. Look at WeChat: social media, communications, and payment system rolled into one.
While Amazon is stripping business from brick-and-mortar retail and resulting in massive layoffs in the US retail sector, Taobao and JD are empowering small businesses and creating livelihoods for remote rural regions.
The US thinks that by banning or buying Tiktok, they will cripple China's online influence. What they don't understand is that while they can ban the platforms, they can't ban Chinese innovation.
Guys! And girls! This is not what this TikTok fight is about.
First point, this is unrestricted warfare. You fight.
Second point, this is about data, and big data drives big business.
Third point, this is about the money because if you got all of it in Facebook Amazon, ie the FANNG stocks, then you got the power.
This is a real fight, even though it is over dance moves.
Read these two articles, and it should illuminate some issues.
(a historical perspective)
(the reality today with TikTok being a huge success)
First point, this is unrestricted warfare. You fight.
Second point, this is about data, and big data drives big business.
Third point, this is about the money because if you got all of it in Facebook Amazon, ie the FANNG stocks, then you got the power.
This is a real fight, even though it is over dance moves.
Read these two articles, and it should illuminate some issues.
(a historical perspective)
(the reality today with TikTok being a huge success)
Tik Tok is an App so how exactly do you ban it? Yes YT FB and others are banned in China, but people can easily access them all using VPN.
Same thing with Tik Tok. I note that Byte Dance is looking to relocate from US to London, thus taking it out of US jurisdiction. Thats really all you need to do.
Huawei smart phones and Tik Tok are both very popular with kids. I cannot think of anything to make them more popular than to tell the kids that grown ups like Trump think they are bad. Let Huawei stick a dedicated Tik Tok VPN on their phones and watch both go through the stratosphere!
Same thing with Tik Tok. I note that Byte Dance is looking to relocate from US to London, thus taking it out of US jurisdiction. Thats really all you need to do.
Huawei smart phones and Tik Tok are both very popular with kids. I cannot think of anything to make them more popular than to tell the kids that grown ups like Trump think they are bad. Let Huawei stick a dedicated Tik Tok VPN on their phones and watch both go through the stratosphere!
solarz
Brigadier
Yes, this is about Big Data, but Byte Dance is still a private company. It will do what it believes best, and it will need to live with the consequences of its choice. The worst thing the Chinese government can do is to intervene to save private companies like Washington does with Wall Street.
My argument is this: Tiktok is inconsequential, ByteDance is inconsequential. If it goes belly up, another company will take its place.
It is not inconsequential. It all depends on how it’s sold and the terms of the deal.
Look at what Trump is saying. He’s basically saying not only will Bytedance be forced to sell Ticktok, it will also have to pay the US treasury for letting this deal happen. This is a Mafia like tactic of forcing someone to sell their business and having to pay them again because they “let you sell it”.
If Bytedance or China agrees to these terms, it’s nothing short of humiliation!! Entire world will see how China is bullied.
And guess what. In a few months, Bytedance will still end up on the sanctioned list.
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