I never said you were racist, I said it was weird.
If you know so many Chinese people, have you ever heard "Hong Kongese"?
Hong Konger/HKer is the most common
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If you know so many Chinese people, have you ever heard "Hong Kongese"?
Hong Konger/HKer is the most common
Mr T
Senior Member
As I said before, the Tories aren't the only party in Parliament. If the government puts forward immigration reform, none of the Opposition parties will vote against it. They'll almost certainly back it. That just leaves the Tories. You would need at least 300+ Tory MPs - nearly 320 - to block the measure. There's never been a rebellion like that in living memory. If you think that's a realistic possibility, you're welcome to say "I told you so" when it happens.
The City of London has no representation in Parliament, unlike HK finance via the functional constituences in LegCo. As for indirect lobbying, I doubt that any business leaders would ask MPs to block the legislation. It's got nothing to do with them - besides, they prefer a bigger labour market, means less upward pressure on wages.
I'm not even sure what that means. If Beijing pushes through the security legislation, unless it's really narrowly focused, the UK government has said it will bring in immigration changes. I suppose it might change its mind, but I doubt the City is going to get involved.
Sure. But "negro" is a racist term, not weird.
If I can remember correctly, mainlanders said "Hong Kong people" or "Chinese". As for people from HK, they said "I'm from Hong Kong".
You're probably right. I'll try to make a mental note.
Yes, it is now, but in the 70's it wasn't. It was supposed to be an example of something not common anymore, but used to be. Maybe not the best one to use.
Anyway, that's it on that.
I know he is just dangling carrots as Boris Johnson will unlikely be capable of delivering.
But this is what he wrote.
"Today, and another 2.5 million would be eligible to apply for them. At present, these passports allow visa-free access to the United Kingdom for up to six months.
If China imposes its national security law , and allow any holder of these passports from Hong Kong to come to the UK for a renewable period of 12 months and be given further immigration rights, including the right to work, which could place them on a route to citizenship."
Boris Johnson is saying if China impose the National Security Law which China already did, The British government will change immigration rules where 2.85 million HK people will be allowed visa free access for up to 12 months, which are renewable and they will be given right to work and perhaps citizenship.
Given the National Security Law is a done deal. I'm sure a significant number of people will take this opportunity to immigrate regardless of national security law or not. I do not see much harm with giving HK people this option. Some will go and some will stay. No harm regardless.
The bigger question is will Boris Johnson be able to deliver on this British pledge. I challenge him to deliver on this pledge and if not, Britain would have double-cross the HK people once again and they can blame the British again for that.
If anything, I think it will make HK people be less resistant to the national security law. It will be a double win for HK people with peace and stability with rights to UK immigration as benefit on the side.
Mr T
Senior Member
China hasn't imposed anything. The NPC voted to allow/ask the Standing Committee to draft the law. Until the SC has drafted and enacted the law it doesn't exist.
Theoretically the Standing Committee could shelve it, even if that's improbable.
nitpicking. It is done deal and the British need to man up.
Mr T
Senior Member
Lol, it's called being reasonable, not least because Beijing would whine if the legislation was brought forward now.
For goodness sake, are you that ignorant of how Parliaments actually work?
We see Big Business directly lobbying politicians on China policy in Germany.
What makes you think the UK is so different?
The City of London Corporation has a permanent representative who sits right next to the Speaker in the House of Commons.
His job is to ensure the City's interests are protected, and to directly lobby MPs.
And are you blind as to why the City of London Corporation might care about China policy?
The expectation is that the Chinese economy and currency will surpass the US Dollar in global influence.
Call it 2-3x larger.
What matters more to the long-term future of the City of London than having access to the Chinese RMB?
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Extend that to other businesses which have ties to China, which is pretty much all of the big ones.
And remember that China is forecast to grow at 1% this year.
In comparison, the average UK forecast is currently negative 7.9%.
And China is roughly 6x larger than the UK in exchange rate terms.
Given that imbalance and the current situation, China is in a position to selectively punish the UK, at little cost to itself.
The Whitehall Bureaucracy and Business will be pointing this out to Boris Johnson and his fellow Cabinet Ministers.
Lol, it's called being reasonable, not least because Beijing would whine if the legislation was brought forward now.
Ok. You say you're from the UK. Guess what, I'm from the UK. So you should have a pretty good grasp of the British attitude towards foreigners. So tell us what do you think would be the mood of the British public if and when 3 million (5% of the UK population) foreigners actually come knocking on the door. After applying for a VISA.
solarz
Brigadier
If anything, the world would be a better place if everyone could immigrate to the country that they prefer. Subject to security checks, of course.