Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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Jura The idiot
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Sorry dratsabknihcllik.
Rest well and kiss any expectation of transparency out the door.
Not to worry. Our President have taken strong action to prevent this communist conspiracy and propaganda,
All CoronaVirus deliberation are now classified and subject to top security clearance.
“THIS CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.”
Sources claim that the instruction to classify the meetings came from the National Security Council, which advises President Trump on issues of security. “This came directly from the White House,” Reuters reports one official as saying. One source was reportedly told that the meetings had been classified because they “had to do with China,”
A fifth source familiar with the meetings said HHS staffers often weren’t informed about coronavirus developments because they didn’t have adequate clearance. He said he was told that the matters were classified “because it had to do with China.”
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I actually think the South Korea response is similar to China.
You have real time tracking of every smartphone individual. Visitors have to download a surveillance app on their phone.
There are very high levels of testing as well.
When combined with sensible social distancing and staying at home if sick, it is feasible to isolate cases before it becomes an outbreak.
Where it failed in Korea was when a religious Christian cult continued to demand sick members attend packed gatherings every day. Because the government didn't ban mass gatherings, they just kept doing what they had always done.
We can now see that China is relaxing its own restrictions, after the initial scare. At the beginning, it was a truly unknown disease.
22000 ventilators for intensive care beds were sent in, primarily to Wuhan which has a population of 10 million.
In comparison, there are 95000 intensive care beds in the USA, which has population of 330 million.
So you can see the potential for any country to be overwhelmed with the numbers of incoming patients in a widespread outbreak.
Plus in a privatised system, who is going to pay and organise for a relocation of healthcare resources on a national scale?
Your statement that the US has very outstanding health care is not really supported by the facts. As per the studies, Europe and Japan for example, have overall better health outcomes for the population, but only spend half as much.
There is just so much waste and inefficiency in a fully private healthcare system without some level of basic universal coverage.
For example, Chinese hospitals and drugmakers used to operate like in the USA and negotiate individually. But when China moved to a single national drug purchasing system, the competition meant the winning bidders had to slash their prices.
Or how everyone in the UK has a family doctor, and the NHS estimates that it costs 60 USD for each visit. But the same visit to a hospital costs roughly 200 USD, which is what the uninsured in the USA do.
There's also nothing stopping you from using private healthcare in the UK, if you want to.
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Jura The idiot
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similar huh did you read "Whereas China, where the virus originated, and more recently Italy have placed millions of their citizens on lockdown, South Korea has not restricted people’s movements – not even in Daegu, the southeastern city at the centre of the country’s outbreak." inside the article inside the post you've now quoted Andy?
It is not possible to lift the restrictions.
The outside of China infections was caused by few dozens virus carriers. - at least the last calculation was this.
Means it is impossible to get rid of .
Nice data table about chances and outcomes :
Looks like 63% chance of dead if 24 min/ breath at the time of admission , and from 33 person only one survived the mechanical ventilation .
Very slim chance to survive with coronary heart disease.
So the available mechanical ventilation machines won't help the recovery and the survival.
Looks like the survival chance not related to the available machines, but rather than to the available medical staff .
By the world bank, in China the number of doctors is 2.8/1000 residents, nurses 2.3/1000 residents.
Same number is 4.1 /5.9 for Italy, and USA 2.6 / 8.6, Russia 4/8.6 .
So there are 5.1/1000 medical workers in China, 10/1000 in Italy, and 11.2 in USA and 12.6 in Russia.
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Jura The idiot
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noticed through Breaking News at gazeta.ru ()
Coronavirus: some recovered patients may have reduced lung function and are left gasping for air while walking briskly, Hong Kong doctors find
Coronavirus: some recovered patients may have reduced lung function and are left gasping for air while walking briskly, Hong Kong doctors find
- Hospital Authority releases its findings after observing the first group of discharged coronavirus patients
- Some patients might have a drop of about 20 to 30 per cent in lung function, says medical director of Infectious Disease Centre at Princess Margaret Hospital
It is the same like for normal, untreated (bacterial) pneumonia.
That damage the lung as well.
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This article is quite misleading. South Korea turned on Surveillance State big time, required people to put an app on the phone, did extremely aggressive contact tracing of the cult members, then forced each of them into testing or quarantine. In the West that would be hollered as religious suppression. What South Korea did was target a religious group and pursued each member relentlessly.
South Korea's "model" isn't a model because you have that poor church as an identifiable target. This aggressive measure --- inconceivable in a truly democratic nation that gives lip service to religious freedom --- was able to contain the virus from taking off from first base.
Italy cannot do that. There is no organization or institutionalized groups of individuals it can target --- institutions keep member databases. Country does not have a sophisticated citizen tracking apparatus. As a matter of fact the EU has been pushing against the American tech giants on data privacy.
Do you know where S. Korea got the model for these apps? From China.
Do you think that people in the EU and in the US are willing to download an app that allows the government to track their every move?
Both China and S. Korea also have something in common, populations with Asian cultural values whose citizenry for the most part, trust in their government. You would need to be, if you want to download such an app into your phone and turn it on every time you leave the house. You have to be if people are voluntarily wearing face masks en masse instead of ridiculing them. You have to be for people being willing to show up in testing centers to get themselves checked.
If you look at places like S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, they appear to be able to beat the virus at the containment level. Italy, Europe and US are way pass the containment stage. You simply cannot apply the same strategy once the cat is out of the bag.
Advice for handling situations like these, need to come from the doctors and only from the doctors, not from self righteous journalists and politicians.