Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

[localizer]

When's the last time you got flu like symptoms and your doctor asked if you ate any pangolins?

Theres an important issue to discuss here. The ill informed tend to hide vital information due to fear.

That paper about nonsymptomatic transmission that just got retracted was due to the family too afraid to say they were having symptoms.

Many reports about people getting infected outside of Wuhan are just people too afraid to say they’ve been to Wuhan.

It’s just like going to a psychiatrist and being too afraid to talk about certain things or not going to the doctor when you have some “embarrassing” health issue.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Yesterday at 8:13 AM

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(the parabola predicts 35567 for tomorrow (Feb 8), but it'll overshoot)
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... but not by much: 34876

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for tomorrow (Feb 9) it says 10^(-0.00319*22^2+0.17833*22+2.20664) which is 38543

 

[broadsword]

You are also missing some points here, we aren't talking about endangered wildlife exclusively, but also wildlife that are not covered under them. Last I check, bats and snakes are not on the protected species list nor are they endangered, they are however not bred on farms so people aren't bothered with checking their conditions before selling them

It is precisely this factor that makes them vulnerable to contamination. Banning them is not going to change that, but regulating and setting procedures for their consumption will.

And you also missed the point on the ivory trade ban, ivory demand has lowered yes but it is not eliminated. It had merely migrated to the black market which is troubling because it is impossible to account for how many ivory are hunted from elephants and traded because smugglers and traders resort to all sorts of tricks to relabel the ivory as "legally procured" which defeats the whole purpose of the ban. Moreover. the ban was not a complete one as people can still trade and purchase ivory products. While this new ban threatens to be a complete one .

And most importantly, ivory does not infect and kill people while infected wildlife meat does.

Which means policy makers -- top leaders and public health bureacrats -- have to make tough decisions. Pork and poultry are already the country's staples, not bats and snakes, et al. Just like the mad cow disease did not led to the Western nations banning beef, pork and poultry are here to stay for god-knows-when.

But bats and snakes serve a minority group, and unlike the staples, are not raised in standard sanitary husbandry, but hunted and brought to the market without refrigeration perhaps, certainly without antibiotics and without health certification.

Sticking with the staples make for better policing, less red tape, less standards, manpower and testing.

 

[shanlung]

When's the last time you got flu like symptoms and your doctor asked if you ate any pangolins?

Pangolin the most pitiful creatures.
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And as said.
And hopefully, this be able to remove the pangolin, and their scales off the eating list of Chinese and Vietnamese and enable pangolins to have undisturbed life to bring up their own little pangolins.

 

[broadsword]

a good example will be how Japan regulated the preparation and consumption of fugu.

Fugu only kills the the one eating it; not going to cause epidemic.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Which means policy makers -- top leaders and public health bureacrats -- have to make tough decisions. Pork and poultry are already the country's staples, not bats and snakes, et al. Just like the mad cow disease did not led to the Western nations banning beef, pork and poultry are here to stay for god-knows-when.

But bats and snakes serve a minority group, and unlike the staples, are not raised in standard sanitary husbandry, but hunted and brought to the market without refrigeration perhaps, certainly without antibiotics and without health certification.

Sticking with the staples make for better policing, less red tape, less standards, manpower and testing.

If they want normal meat they would had got it already. Again the point is missed, that simply banning something does not make it go away. And if the wealthy are willing to pay a premium for the extra procedures I see no problem with that.

 

[broadsword]

The problem is that Pangolins are already been banned from consumption quite sometime ago yet people are still eating them. And if civet eating did not diminish in the wake of the SARS outbreak it is unlikely Pangolin filet will .

People continue to eat because it was not known to cause disease. But now there is a widespread realization of the dangerous potential of consuming wildlife meat and that means stricter enforcement and less voluntary consumption.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Fugu only kills the the one eating it; not going to cause epidemic.

And yet it still kills people which is the point, if Japan simply just blanket banned it people are just going to eat it in secret in all sorts of hazardous ways which is just going to push the death toll up.

 

[broadsword]

If they want normal meat they would had got it already. Again the point is missed, that simply banning something does not make it go away. And if the wealthy are willing to pay a premium for the extra procedures I see no problem with that.

The idea is to take away their choice. Banning it will reduce the probability of another outbreak.

 

[solarz]

Since the last time that "flu" actually kills people. You are acting as though diseas control centers do not follow a standard protocol when attempting to discern a previously unknown disease strain.

You know the flu kills tens of thousands of people every year, right?