Germany Carl Zeiss, heart of Dutch ASML Lithography Equipment.

[sinophilia]

Who's gonna pay for it when the risk fails? You? If this is how you talk about your leadership when China is growing faster than any other country basically at every technology, then what will you say about them if they take a gamble and it fails? The current trends show China rising and overtaking the US, both economically and technologically. The one that is desperate to take a risk to change this is the US, not China. Accomplishments are accomplishments. The CCP has done many things that no other government can do, including challenging the US. It's an endless argument to say that someone else could have done even better. But the fact is that there is no government in the world as successful as the CCP in raising its country.

No, we don't. We are glad for the CCP's leadership and realize that to undermine it like you are now only does harm to China. Unity brings power. What you are doing now is exactly what the US wants to see: Chinese people calling their own government pathetic and turning on it. What's more amazing is that you do so in such a time of success so that it's impossible to appease your arguments because no matter what you are given, you will always say that someone else could have brought more success.

Because Korea and Japan kissed American ass, so these little fellows were allowed to take a niche specialty and keep it... as long as they submit to the American agenda. China maintains that it will challenge and overtake the US in every field and never bow to it so it has been fighting American pressure from day 1. Rather than focusing on a few niche industries, China has to grow in all arenas all under the antagonization of the world's sole superpower and its cronies while Japan and Korea just roll over like dogs and play ball to be allowed these niche specialties. Think about all the things that China does that Japan or Korea can't. Isn't this vast difference obvious? The kind of pressure that the US puts on China would crush Japan or Korea overnight leaving them crying and asking what they have to do to be granted reprieve but it is the leadership of the CCP commanding the power of 1.4B Chinese people that allows China to not only take all this pressure head on but still grow faster than any other country despite it.

This is a flawed argument.

First of all, one of the (if not the) single greatest correlate to economic development is intellect, surprisingly (to some) as accurately measured by g-loaded IQ tests. Many psychometricians and many studies have brought this up over the decades. The correlation is significant. The fact that it is considered incorrect or racist to talk about doesn't take away from the fact that its true. The main exception from this trend? CHINA. Why? Due to ridiculously incompetent economic mismanagement. China scores among the top 3-4 highest of 200 nations on these tests, and yet...

You want people to be thankful that the CCP brought Chinese from sub-Saharan African standards of development to this current level, despite China being in this issue of having to endlessly catch-up in the first place due to the incompetence of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Ridiculous.

Why is Taiwan developed? Hong Kong? Japan? South Korea? Singapore? Don't give me some propaganda that it's due to sucking on the teets of the evil capitalist Westerners. Oh, I see you already have in your last paragraph. No, there's a reason they are advanced and well-off, there's a reason Western Europeans are, and there's a reason why, outside of a few island tourist economies and oil nations, all of Africa and Latin America and the Middle East and the southerly belt of Asia are not; those that score highly on g-loaded IQ tests and personality tests (which score for honesty-humility, extraversion, openness, emotionality, agreeableness, and conscientiousness) are well-off; those that don't are not.

Yet China has to be the greatest exception to this rule, ever. And yet you and many others continue to defend the government to your dying breath. I am not some Taiwanese guy who hates the CCP, I just hate that they are not allowing China to reach its full potential, after having already wasted half a century of it.

China, as a nation with intellect similar to Korea or Japan, and a population more than the entire White race (people of European descent) combined, SHOULD be by far the worlds greatest power. Yet here you are applauding China for being moderately more than annoyance to America, and for giving hope to the dream that maybe someday soon it'll be an equal competitor. Sad to say but if China was under the KMT it may have already had an economy 3-4x the USA today! And have had it for the last few decades, thereby solidifying China as the pre-eminent power by far - something akin to the current difference between the US and UK.

I do not undermine Chinese unity, I seek to defend it. Chinese unity will collapse if it is allowed to rot under a government which is allowing such large inefficiencies to build up over a few more decades. Westerners, up until the recent wave of mass immigration, have allowed thought that contradicts this 'unity and stability at all costs' philosophy; somehow it worked out for them until this new wave of social liberalism. If there is one thing we can learn from them, it is stuff like that, stuff that fosters creativity and somewhat free thinking.

I dont want China to be endlessly catching up as well. It's true, China has closed the gaps in many areas, and yet many more have opened too. Someone like Elon Musk comes and boosts the gap again between China and the USA in many areas. Is this just going to happen forever? Maybe, maybe if there is not proper leadership.

 

[adiru]

This is a flawed argument.

First of all, one of the (if not the) single greatest correlate to economic development is intellect, surprisingly (to some) as accurately measured by g-loaded IQ tests. Many psychometricians and many studies have brought this up over the decades. The correlation is significant. The fact that it is considered incorrect or racist to talk about doesn't take away from the fact that its true. The main exception from this trend? CHINA. Why? Due to ridiculously incompetent economic mismanagement. China scores among the top 3-4 highest of 200 nations on these tests, and yet...

You want people to be thankful that the CCP brought Chinese from sub-Saharan African standards of development to this current level, despite China being in this issue of having to endlessly catch-up in the first place due to the incompetence of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Ridiculous.

Why is Taiwan developed? Hong Kong? Japan? South Korea? Singapore? Don't give me some propaganda that it's due to sucking on the teets of the evil capitalist Westerners. Oh, I see you already have in your last paragraph. No, there's a reason they are advanced and well-off, there's a reason Western Europeans are, and there's a reason why, outside of a few island tourist economies and oil nations, all of Africa and Latin America and the Middle East and the southerly belt of Asia are not; those that score highly on g-loaded IQ tests and personality tests (which score for honesty-humility, extraversion, openness, emotionality, agreeableness, and conscientiousness) are well-off; those that don't are not.

Yet China has to be the greatest exception to this rule, ever. And yet you and many others continue to defend the government to your dying breath. I am not some Taiwanese guy who hates the CCP, I just hate that they are not allowing China to reach its full potential, after having already wasted half a century of it.

China, as a nation with intellect similar to Korea or Japan, and a population more than the entire White race (people of European descent) combined, SHOULD be by far the worlds greatest power. Yet here you are applauding China for being moderately more than annoyance to America, and for giving hope to the dream that maybe someday soon it'll be an equal competitor. Sad to say but if China was under the KMT it may have already had an economy 3-4x the USA today! And have had it for the last few decades, thereby solidifying China as the pre-eminent power by far - something akin to the current difference between the US and UK.

I do not undermine Chinese unity, I seek to defend it. Chinese unity will collapse if it is allowed to rot under a government which is allowing such large inefficiencies to build up over a few more decades. Westerners, up until the recent wave of mass immigration, have allowed thought that contradicts this 'unity and stability at all costs' philosophy; somehow it worked out for them until this new wave of social liberalism. If there is one thing we can learn from them, it is stuff like that, stuff that fosters creativity and somewhat free thinking.

I dont want China to be endlessly catching up as well. It's true, China has closed the gaps in many areas, and yet many more have opened too. Someone like Elon Musk comes and boosts the gap again between China and the USA in many areas. Is this just going to happen forever? Maybe, maybe if there is not proper leadership.

Indian people are pretty smart too... and India has almost the same population of China and due to history of being colonized by the England, they have an English advantage over the Chinese people. And by Western standards India is more democratic than China. Yet by your argument India GDP PPP should already be far ahead of China? But it is far behind.

No system of government is 100% perfect, but China is much more of a "civilization state" rather than the traditional Western concept of a "nation state". Even Putin recently proclaimed that Western liberalism is obsolete. Western liberal democracy would be the wrong fit for China and the wrong model of governance for the Chinese people. Just ask Europe how multiculturalism is working out for them... The Western democratic systems have proven to be a failed experiment, Trump himself is merely a symptom and manifestation of that failure. So it is laughable for the West to continue the rhetoric of attempting to impose this flawed system onto another sovereign state such as China. Continued relentless pursuit of technological progress, Capitalism with Chinese characteristics, and adaptive pragmatisms are the best ways forward for China and the Chinese peoples to progress forward and reach the stars!

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

This is a flawed argument.

It's far less flawed than yours. His argument acknowledges historical realities, yours is simply a prolonged whine that if the big, bad government got out of the way then the arts and sciences would advance by centuries in mere months. If you want a country without a government, go to that beacon of freedom and advancement, Somalia.

That's ignoring your allusion to that familiar, odious touchstone of white racists: the argument that all those poor darkies are poor because they're too stupid for modernity, not because of centuries of colonial exploitation that continues to this day.

Why is Taiwan developed? Hong Kong? Japan? South Korea? Singapore?

He already answered that question - that you don't like the answer doesn't make it untrue. They do suck on the teat of the West because they're useful satellites and they're too tiny to threaten the West in any meaningful way.

Yet China has to be the greatest exception to this rule, ever.

If a fifth of humanity is the exception to a rule then you don't have much of a rule. The West is rich and powerful today because it developed early and China is behind because it didn't. There's no other reason - it's not IQ, it's not the CCP, it's early industrialization, pure and simple.

Sad to say but if China was under the KMT it may have already had an economy 3-4x the USA today!

If the KMT was so successful, why did it lose the Chinese Civil War? People like you act like Mao inherited some hyper-advanced utopia and turned it into a sewer - like the Chinese were about to establish space colonies before Mao came along and ruined everything. No, it was a sewer when Mao ended the civil wars and invasions that had raged for decades.

I do not undermine Chinese unity

Of course not. You're some guy on the internet mouthing off an uninformed opinion - that isn't going to undermine the most effective and efficient government on the face of the Earth. Few in China share your opinion anyway; all surveys on the topic show extremely high levels of satisfaction with the government and the country's direction.

Chinese unity will collapse if it is allowed to rot under a government which is allowing such large inefficiencies to build up over a few more decades.

What inefficiencies? Do you understand that the only reasons China is in a position to challenge the US are the economic reforms of Deng which saw the greatest expansion of wealth in human history, and Mao who - for all his mistakes - dropped illiteracy from 90% in 1949 to 30% in 1976 and raised life expectancy from 35 to 65?

Is this just going to happen forever? Maybe, maybe if there is not proper leadership.

Is the Chinese government preventing you from starting up a company with all the brilliant ideas you undoubtedly have? Be China's Elon Musk and help close the gap between China and America.

 

[sinophilia]

Indian people are pretty smart too... and India has almost the same population of China and due to history of being colonized by the England, they have an English advantage over the Chinese people. And by Western standards India is more democratic than China. Yet by your argument India GDP PPP should already be far ahead of China? But it is far behind.

If you are more interested in cognitive differences you can create a thread for it. I don't want to be warned by a mod about me taking this more off track than I already have. But I will say that the data does not support your argument.

What Putin does and doesn't say about the governing of Western countries isn't really worth looking at. Not that I'm advocating a social liberal democracy for China anyway. An authoritarian technocratic state capitalist society modeled on Nazi Germany, without the ridiculous social-racial theories and overtly genocidal nature would be great.

 

[sinophilia]

It's far less flawed than yours. His argument acknowledges historical realities, yours is simply a prolonged whine that if the big, bad government got out of the way then the arts and sciences would advance by centuries in mere months. If you want a country without a government, go to that beacon of freedom and advancement, Somalia.

Somalia is an anarchy due to tribalism, clannish loyalty, low in-group trust, among many other things. What is the relevance? I'm not advocating for that. And if you comprehended what I wrote you'd realize that you are miles away from an argument against what I wrote with that overused and laughably simplistic analogy.

That's ignoring your allusion to that familiar, odious touchstone of white racists: the argument that all those poor darkies are poor because they're too stupid for modernity, not because of centuries of colonial exploitation that continues to this day.

Colonial exploitation that continues to this day... oh boy, whats next going to accuse China of that as well? I suppose you have an explanation for every exception to the rule right? Like, suppose almost every country in Latin America? I wonder why they are impoverished? Or why Poland despite almost being genocided out of existence isn't?

He already answered that question - that you don't like the answer doesn't make it untrue.

Look who's talking. Accusations of racism and broad brushes of abstract notions of colonial exploitation affecting peoples living standards and personalities to this day, in such a haphazard pattern as to not even support your argument.

If one country of humanity is the exception to a rule

Fixed.

The West is rich and powerful today because it developed early and China is behind because it didn't. There's no other reason - it's not IQ, it's not the CCP, it's early industrialization, pure and simple.

Thanks for clearing it up for me! Don't believe data, don't believe your lying eyes. Believe what you are told, even if its yet another abstract sentence lacking any actual information. You don't seem to have much knowledge on the subject, so maybe instead of coming in hard with conclusions that are too general to even be deemed weak just respectfully say "I don't know I guess I'll research it more before speaking out over confidently about things not in my expertise" ??

If the KMT was so successful, why did it lose the Chinese Civil War? People like you act like Mao inherited some hyper-advanced utopia and turned it into a sewer - like the Chinese were about to establish space colonies before Mao came along and ruined everything. No, it was a sewer when Mao ended the civil wars and invasions that had raged for decades.

Mao inherited a sewer and made it worse, MAYBE improved it in some ways, over a period of decades. Overall it was a disaster. "If the KMT was so successful" So are you arguing then that Taiwan has low living standards? Dude what are you even on about. Was the KMT successful or not in the economic development of Taiwan? Yes, I want integration, no this is not some sly way to promote Taiwan and shit on China. But lets be objective here. Was it successful or not?

Of course not. You're some guy on the internet mouthing off an uninformed opinion - that isn't going to undermine the most effective and efficient government on the face of the Earth. Few in China share your opinion anyway; all surveys on the topic show extremely high levels of satisfaction with the government and the country's direction.

That's true. And? I am mouthing it off precisely because of what you just wrote. If people were displeased with this then it wouldn't be this way. Maybe in a decade things will be forced to move forward.

What inefficiencies? Do you understand that the only reasons China is in a position to challenge the US are the economic reforms of Deng which saw the greatest expansion of wealth in human history, and Mao who - for all his mistakes - dropped illiteracy from 90% in 1949 to 30% in 1976 and raised life expectancy from 35 to 65?

In your mind is Mao a net benefit to China? Average growth of half US levels despite SSA standards of living in many ways. This is a joke. Great, China has become an economic miracle... just like the other East Asian countries.. yet if Mao wasn't there then and the CCP wasn't still here now, this would have happened when? In the 60s? maybe 70s? And where would China be today? At Japanese levels of wealth? Korean?

Is the Chinese government preventing you from starting up a company with all the brilliant ideas you undoubtedly have? Be China's Elon Musk and help close the gap between China and America.

I am doing my part in helping in ways you would not expect, for precisely many of the reasons I outlined.

 

[tidalwave]

I believe it would make quite difference if Huawei prepare for the showdown with US government in the early 2000s. Even during that time, a lot of accusations against Huawei of stealing Cisco source codes on routers. The strategy of US government is always that they will let you go first, they don't touch you initially, they will wait for opportunities like if you become very successful then that's the time they act. They will charge you with something from long time ago....
So, Huawei should have a feeling this showdown will come.
Yes, they prepared in chip design and operating system but that's not enough.

they should get into chip manufacturing in early 2000s and be active in China lithography equipment development. They have not done any of those.

By now they would have 20 years of experiences in chip manufacturing and probs would create some breakthrough along the way. Even with blockage from US led sanction on leading edge tech but 20 years is enough for incubation period to foster your own technology especially in chip manufacturing and lithography equipment if actively driven.

Right now Huawei still big zero in that area because they chose not to get into that area afraid they would spread out their resources and thAt area is too messy for them. Even CEO Ren lamented that he totally didn't anticipAte US going all out to kill Huawei. He thought all along US might restrict Huawei in some ways but not killling.

Huawei spent excessive resources on application side like how to make their camera system the best in the industry in terms softwAre optimization, hardware optimization and integration. I think it's overkill.

Huawei negligence in semiconductor manufacturing tech may haunt them some day. They may lose their 5g leadership.

SO, it's a combination of the government and the industry players that lead them into todAy dilemma. It's not just a single factoer

 

[manqiangrexue]

This is a flawed argument.

First of all, one of the (if not the) single greatest correlate to economic development is intellect, surprisingly (to some) as accurately measured by g-loaded IQ tests. Many psychometricians and many studies have brought this up over the decades. The correlation is significant. The fact that it is considered incorrect or racist to talk about doesn't take away from the fact that its true. The main exception from this trend? CHINA. Why? Due to ridiculously incompetent economic mismanagement. China scores among the top 3-4 highest of 200 nations on these tests, and yet...

You want people to be thankful that the CCP brought Chinese from sub-Saharan African standards of development to this current level, despite China being in this issue of having to endlessly catch-up in the first place due to the incompetence of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Ridiculous.

Why is Taiwan developed? Hong Kong? Japan? South Korea? Singapore? Don't give me some propaganda that it's due to sucking on the teets of the evil capitalist Westerners. Oh, I see you already have in your last paragraph. No, there's a reason they are advanced and well-off, there's a reason Western Europeans are, and there's a reason why, outside of a few island tourist economies and oil nations, all of Africa and Latin America and the Middle East and the southerly belt of Asia are not; those that score highly on g-loaded IQ tests and personality tests (which score for honesty-humility, extraversion, openness, emotionality, agreeableness, and conscientiousness) are well-off; those that don't are not.

Yet China has to be the greatest exception to this rule, ever. And yet you and many others continue to defend the government to your dying breath. I am not some Taiwanese guy who hates the CCP, I just hate that they are not allowing China to reach its full potential, after having already wasted half a century of it.

China, as a nation with intellect similar to Korea or Japan, and a population more than the entire White race (people of European descent) combined, SHOULD be by far the worlds greatest power. Yet here you are applauding China for being moderately more than annoyance to America, and for giving hope to the dream that maybe someday soon it'll be an equal competitor. Sad to say but if China was under the KMT it may have already had an economy 3-4x the USA today! And have had it for the last few decades, thereby solidifying China as the pre-eminent power by far - something akin to the current difference between the US and UK.

I do not undermine Chinese unity, I seek to defend it. Chinese unity will collapse if it is allowed to rot under a government which is allowing such large inefficiencies to build up over a few more decades. Westerners, up until the recent wave of mass immigration, have allowed thought that contradicts this 'unity and stability at all costs' philosophy; somehow it worked out for them until this new wave of social liberalism. If there is one thing we can learn from them, it is stuff like that, stuff that fosters creativity and somewhat free thinking.

I dont want China to be endlessly catching up as well. It's true, China has closed the gaps in many areas, and yet many more have opened too. Someone like Elon Musk comes and boosts the gap again between China and the USA in many areas. Is this just going to happen forever? Maybe, maybe if there is not proper leadership.

So I'm gonna argue 3 main points here:

1. You think that China is backwards because of the CCP. You are wrong. China is backwards because of decadent dynastic rule that saw Chinese science fall way behind that of Western countries. When China met the West, it was British steel warships that met Chinese wooden sail ships. The CCP took a China that couldn't make a truck and turned it into a China that makes things today that the West can't make, and all under the pressure of the lone superpower to fall in line. Under the CCP, Chinese tech grew and grew; it never fell behind because of the CCP.

2. You think that China would be better off under some government like the KMT. Yes, for the initial period, development will be faster and people's lives would be more comfortable but remember that the US never permits a vassal to exceed itself. Even with a Japan that was fully in line with the US politically, and militarily reliant on it, the US had to assassinate its economy because it was growing too large. If China fell under the control of a Western appeasing government, it would have an initial easy streak, then hit a ceiling. Under the CCP, China had it real rough early on, being the backwards country with a small economy under the pressure of a superpower, but it developed on its own power and now has the potential to actually outgrow and out-compete the US. You bow to the US, you deal with the devil. The CCP took China on the hard path, the only right path for a country with self-respect and ambition.

3. You seem to think that China could be unified under a different government. Impossible. Chinese unity can only be under the CCP. The small KMT and disastrous HK government can only destroy China and giving them any influence is taking away from the unity that is the CCP. Always follow momentum; when driving, flying, running, swimming, or weightlifting, momentum is the ultimate force. The CCP has all the momentum now. Disrupt it and disrupt China's unity and China's rise.

 

[manqiangrexue]

It's all domestic parts. I have examined their high end equipment they are all Japanese parts if not 100% at least 95%

Sometimes you need to swallow pride and tip your hat to your opponent and give credit where it's due

I gave them all the credit they are due. I never said their technology is bad, and I believe you when you say that they have indigenized it. However, they are due no more credit than that. They developed that tech under the allowance of the US by submitting to its political will at every turn. The Japanese may be very good in some areas, but they are not developing in all fields on any level that would challenge the US. This is an easy path, a doggy door exit that China will never take.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

And if you comprehended what I wrote you'd realize that you are miles away from an argument against what I wrote with that overused and laughably simplistic analogy.

There's nothing to comprehend about what you wrote, you're simply whining about the Chinese government without articulating any alternative. The closest you came to anything definable is "Nazi Germany without the racial policies". Why should China be anything like Nazi Germany? Nazi Germany is a loser; why should I want to follow a loser's example?

I suppose you have an explanation for every exception to the rule right? Like, suppose almost every country in Latin America?

I'm sorry to put this so baldly, but you're simply not equipped to debate me - and certainly not qualified to proclaim an opinion about Chinese governance and expect to be taken seriously - if you think that Latin America is not a textbook example of colonial exploitation. Let's see: genocidal invasion and unprecedented plunder by the Spanish, and continuation of that invasion and plunder by the US once it succeeded in enforcing the Monroe Doctrine. Go look up the history of the term "banana republic" and think about how that kind of exploitation might retard a country's development, no matter the IQ of its population.

Or why Poland despite almost being genocided out of existence isn't?

Because it was developed by the Soviet Union. Not out of the kindness of Stalin's heart, but to be able to pull its weight during the Cold War. It wasn't because Poles have blond hair and blue eyes. Incidentally, the US followed this policy of developing satellites that were useful to it in the Cold War - Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Germany, etc. Latin America wasn't so lucky, their role in the movie was just to plant bananas.

Look who's talking. Accusations of racism and broad brushes of abstract notions of colonial exploitation affecting peoples living standards and personalities to this day, in such a haphazard pattern as to not even support your argument.

Have the courage of your convictions. Proudly state that you believe the racists' favourite theory that people who are poor are poor because they have low IQ. How very convenient for them that it absolves them of all historical responsibility.

What I gave isn't really an argument any more than "the sky is blue" is an argument: it's a self-evident truth. Wealthy countries are wealthy because they industrialized earliest. Outliers like Singapore, Dubai, Taiwan, etc. are just tiny exceptions - their wealth is purely a result of their patrons' support and indulgence.

If one country of humanity is the exception to a rule.

You've "fixed" nothing. China is a country only by analogy. It is an amalgamated superstate composed of many civilizations unified over thousands of years. It is a fifth of humanity, that's a fact - you can't ignore that fact to make your silly excuse for a theory of development work.

Mao inherited a sewer and made it worse, MAYBE improved it in some ways, over a period of decades. Overall it was a disaster.

Okay, hop into your time machine and fix it. Or you could do what every rational person does: accept that Mao and his policies are dead and gone and have no bearing on the present. They do not tarnish today's CCP, I'm happy to tell you.

So are you arguing then that Taiwan has low living standards?

No, I'm arguing that Taiwan has high living standards because its sugar-daddy allowed it to have high living standards. Taiwan has no bearing whatsoever on China's development path - it is a totally irrelevant non-sequitur. If you're so enamoured with Taiwan, live there. I don't know why you have to have opinions about how other places run their affairs when your utopia exists right here on Earth. Just go there.

In your mind is Mao a net benefit to China?

In simple fact Mao was a net benefit to China. Illiteracy 90% -> 30%, life expectancy 35 ->65, infant mortality 130/1000 -> 59/1000. China has improved between 1949 and 1976 on every metric you care to name. How does that not qualify as a net benefit?

Great, China has become an economic miracle... just like the other East Asian countries

China is not "just like" anybody. China dwarfs all other East Asian countries put together. They are tiny, China is gargantuan. They have a sugar-daddy, China is too big, too strong, and too independent to have a sugar-daddy.

yet if Mao wasn't there then and the CCP wasn't still here now, this would have happened when? In the 60s? maybe 70s? And where would China be today? At Japanese levels of wealth? Korean?

That's just what your crystal ball tells you. Mine tells me that without Mao China would have split up into ten or twenty different countries.

I am doing my part in helping in ways you would not expect, for precisely many of the reasons I outlined.

Don't leave us in suspense, let us know what super-important work you do.

 

[tidalwave]

I gave them all the credit they are due. I never said their technology is bad, and I believe you when you say that they have indigenized it. However, they are due no more credit than that. They developed that tech under the allowance of the US by submitting to its political will at every turn. The Japanese may be very good in some areas, but they are not developing in all fields on any level that would challenge the US. This is an easy path, a doggy door exit that China will never take.

Japan can be tech independent from US curretnly. Maybe not in the past.

Japan cannot compare to China ecommerce internet tech. Japan doesn't have baidu, tencent, alibab a players like that. They cannot scale things up like that. Those are nice to have but not critical

US tech has huge holes now. iBM, global foundry fallen way behind . If Samsung and TSMC and others in Taiwan don't fab for US companies, things will grind into a halt.

US power mainly come from ability to sanction people of they don't obey.

US doesn't have lithography equipment ,they don't have anyone thAt very good at optica, lens.US has a lot of technology holes

All lithography equipment lens and optics in market right now are either Nikon or Carl Zeiss.