Hong-Kong Protests

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Just empty words unless you got the big stick to back them up. Otherwise you just end up looking weak only able to protest without being able to take punitive action.

That’s the dilemma Beijing faces.

I am sure Chinese state security and counter intelligence would have plenty of evidence of direct US involvement in the HK riots at a fundamental level.

Publicising such evidence might embarrass the US a little, but what would that achieve?

Most of the brainwashed sheeple in the west would automatically chalk it up as fake news, and anyone inclined would give such news an objective look would probably not be surprised that the US organised the whole thing to start with. And have you see Trump? The man is embarrassment proof.

OTOH, having all these evidence out in the open would massively rile up the Chinese public, who’s anger could easily turn against Beijing if the government is seen as not being able to do anything about such blatant violations of Chinese sovereignty.
The key is hitting their pocketbooks, ie companies. Any company that want to sell anything to China must openly declare they do not support the rioters or risk having their operation shut. That would a pretty big stick to carry. Already a lot of MNCs are doing it due to social pressure, not official pressure. Any HK company that supports rioters, and they already know who it is, should get tax audited. And the landlord's pressured to kick them out.
 

localizer

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Dangerous chemicals missing from laboratories of Hong Kong’s universities could threaten public safety, officials and experts warn after campus clashes
  • Three universities have reported to police that chemicals were stolen from their campuses amid intense clashes
  • Experts warn that toxic compounds could be hazardous to both public and police if in the wrong hands

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Trash and liquid containers are strewn all over PolyU. Photo: Dickson Lee

Dangerous chemicals missing from the laboratories of Hong Kong’s universities amid campus clashes between police and anti-government protesters could pose a threat to public safety, officials and experts have warned.
 

Just4Fun

Junior Member
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It's my understanding that China can step into the HK mess only if requested to by the govt of HK.I cant see such a request coming from a Pan Democracy coalition govt.

Unfortunately, your understanding is wrong.

HK gov't is a local gov't inside the political framework of the PRC. Its power comes from the authorization of the central gov't through the Basic Law of HK. The central gov't holds the power to interpreter the Basic Law of HK, and it can revoke / strip HK gov't's power, partially or totally, whenever it feels fit. This is what Chinese sovereignty over HK means.
 
Looks like China should declare any individual or group or company assisting, selling, financing any products to these rioters/terrorists as associated with terrorism. Give them the ability to freeze financial assets in china and ask interpol for arrest if outside. If any country doesn't agree, then put the terrorist supporter hat on them and get some global naming and shaming.

Just empty words unless you got the big stick to back them up. Otherwise you just end up looking weak only able to protest without being able to take punitive action.

That’s the dilemma Beijing faces.

I am sure Chinese state security and counter intelligence would have plenty of evidence of direct US involvement in the HK riots at a fundamental level.

Publicising such evidence might embarrass the US a little, but what would that achieve?

Most of the brainwashed sheeple in the west would automatically chalk it up as fake news, and anyone inclined would give such news an objective look would probably not be surprised that the US organised the whole thing to start with. And have you see Trump? The man is embarrassment proof.

OTOH, having all these evidence out in the open would massively rile up the Chinese public, who’s anger could easily turn against Beijing if the government is seen as not being able to do anything about such blatant violations of Chinese sovereignty.

The key is hitting their pocketbooks, ie companies. Any company that want to sell anything to China must openly declare they do not support the rioters or risk having their operation shut. That would a pretty big stick to carry. Already a lot of MNCs are doing it due to social pressure, not official pressure. Any HK company that supports rioters, and they already know who it is, should get tax audited. And the landlord's pressured to kick them out.

China should definitely do something disciplined In terms of name and shame those who support terrorism. In terms of actual punishment or enforcement China can just inform and let the Chinese public do the free and democratic boycotting and scorning of terrorism supporters. Seize this revelation moment.
 

muddie

Junior Member
Just empty words unless you got the big stick to back them up. Otherwise you just end up looking weak only able to protest without being able to take punitive action.

That’s the dilemma Beijing faces.

I am sure Chinese state security and counter intelligence would have plenty of evidence of direct US involvement in the HK riots at a fundamental level.

Publicising such evidence might embarrass the US a little, but what would that achieve?

Most of the brainwashed sheeple in the west would automatically chalk it up as fake news, and anyone inclined would give such news an objective look would probably not be surprised that the US organised the whole thing to start with. And have you see Trump? The man is embarrassment proof.

OTOH, having all these evidence out in the open would massively rile up the Chinese public, who’s anger could easily turn against Beijing if the government is seen as not being able to do anything about such blatant violations of Chinese sovereignty.

While the U.S. does engage in media manipulation and utilize false narratives to stir chaos, at a fundamental level the problem for China is that a very sizeable percentage of HKers are and have been long time opponents of China. HK is a vulnerable target because of this and it was easy to fan the flames once the media could turn the narrative around the extraction bill.

The vast majority of these so called "pro-democracy protestors" aren't rationale, they are immature kids / young adults who are throwing away their futures for a cause that doesn't exist and for goals they won't achieve. Not to mention social and economic problems like high housing prices, high pressure in HK only made the general population in HK easier to manipulate.

IMO, China needs the HK government to remove those in power who sympathize with protestors and hand out harsher punishment for those arrested. It's comical that HK police has only arrested ~4,500 people in over 5 months (not to mention many of the arrested were let go with a slap on the wrist), compared to the U.S. police that arrested over 10,000 in just 5 days during the LA riots. The longer the riots in HK drag on, the more unpredictable it becomes and risks even higher escalation.

One has to wonder if China is waiting to see what happens with Trump and the possible threat of impeachment. It seems like China is reluctant to take action on both the HK issue and the trade deal until then.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
One has to wonder if China is waiting to see what happens with Trump and the possible threat of impeachment. It seems like China is reluctant to take action on both the HK issue and the trade deal until then.
The scene where the PLA were cheered on by Hong Kongers as they cleaned up the streets leads me to believe that the end game would be to let the terrorists do so much damage to their own image by committing so many hate-inducing crimes that when they are finally harshly dealt with (to say the least), everyone in Hong Kong cheers and feels saved by the CCP. That's winning hearts and solidifying leadership.

As for the trade deal, why make a deal at all? The US GDP growth is spiraling downwards quickly as it continues to destroy its own global image by endangering global economic performance for clearly selfish reasons while China's GDP largely holds steady with great increases in domestic consumption. It would be ideal to make it look to the rest of the world like China is doing its best to negotiate and get things fixed while subtly sabotaging any "deals" right before they are to be signed because not only does the current state take a much harsher toll on the US economy than China's, it is spurring innovation from Chinese tech players who were once too lazy and content on relying on purchasing American. Other countries start to see China as the good guy trying to solve the problem and a worthy global leader while the US throws a massive temper tantrum because it doesn't wanna be number 2. It's also pushing Chinese people, the largest consumer group in the world, to spurn US goods for domestic goods. I see very very little reason for China to want a deal.
 

AssassinsMace

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This is the real soft power that China has not the worthless one like the New York Times taunts that China doesn't have where they try to get the world to think being liked or having something they'll like is power. It's bad that China is exercising this power. No, it's great. The irony is these Hong Kongers want their own identity because they're lost being one in a billion. Yet the only way they can trump China is to have at least a billion population.
 
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