Hong-Kong Protests

[Deleted member 13312]

wait you're right with only 1.2 million, just I don't know why

I reedited my post above.

 

[Jura The idiot]

I reedited my post above.

LOL I linked a wrong number later; now got it:

"There are a total of 3,805,069 voters in the 2017 final register for ..."

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[Deleted member 13312]

LOL I linked a wrong number later; now got it:

"There are a total of 3,805,069 voters in the 2017 final register for ..."

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you are not necessarily wrong here, there is a difference between people who actually registered themselves as voters (a simple matter in of itself) and actually casting their votes on the day of election.

 

[Jura The idiot]

you are not necessarily wrong here, there is a difference between people who actually registered themselves as voters (a simple matter in of itself) and actually casting their votes on the day of election.

nah there're almost four million voters in HK, roughly a half of population, as it should be

12 minutes ago I wrongly thought there might be plenty of 'non-residents' living in HK and was curious who would they be, but it's a moot point

 

[Jura The idiot]

wow,
Hong Kong mob gets harsh warning
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/9/3 23:38:40

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Radical protesters show clear signs of color revolution: spokesperson

Chinese State Council's Hong Kong and Macao Affairs Office on Tuesday issued harsh warning to radical protesters, saying some of the radical protesters have shown clear signs of color revolution and terrorism.

The behavior of some radical protesters have far exceeded the scope of normal assemblies and carried clear signs of terrorism, said Yang Guang, spokesperson of the office, at a press conference in Beijing on Tuesday.

Rioters injured police, attacked people, used offensive and deadly weapons and disclosed information of police and their families. The actions of a few mobs constitute violent crimes in any country, any area, under any legal system, Yang noted at the press conference.

The five demands raised by radical protesters in Hong Kong are not appeals but blatant political threats, Yang noted.

Yang called on Hong Kong residents to separate peaceful protests from violent crimes, and to say "no" to violence.

Tian Feilong, an associate professor at Beihang University in Beijing and an expert on Hong Kong studies, said that the spokesperson's words served as a stern warning to radical protesters, as the situation has escalated to a matter of national and political security.

The stern warning could also come with a powerful toolkit to maintain the rule of law in the city and protect the interests of Hong Kong residents, Tian added.

For instance, the SAR chief executive could invoke the Emergency Regulations Ordinance and impose a curfew in certain areas based on the Public Order Ordinance, Tian explained.

Xu Luying, another spokesperson of the office, said at the press conference that deploying the Chinese People's Liberation Army's (PLA) Hong Kong Garrison to maintain social order in the region does not mean an end to the "one country, two systems."

The remarks were made as violent protests entered their 14th week in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region (HKSAR) and triggered discussions of a state of emergency in the region.

Regardless of whether the garrison is deployed in a state of emergency or dispatched by the central government under a request from the HKSAR for disaster relief and to maintain security, the dispatch of troops is within the Basic Law and part of the framework of "one country, two systems," said Xu.

If turmoil that threatens national sovereignty or security occurs in Hong Kong and the region cannot control it, the central government will not just sit idly. The duty of the PLA garrison in Hong Kong is to safeguard national sovereignty, security, and the territorial integrity in accordance with laws, Xu noted.

The remarks show the central government's resolve to safeguard the mechanism in a legal and responsible manner, analysts said.

Hong Kong is part of China and should be protected by the PLA garrison, Victor Chan, vice chairman of the Hong Kong Association of Young Commentators, told the Global Times on Tuesday.

Chan noted that if such extreme actions continue from opposition groups, the regional government will also reinforce its countermeasures.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Actually, I interpret Lam's remarks as she wants to give in to the rioters, but Beijing would not allow that.

I would not put too much stock in her remarks about Beijing not intervening. Lam is clearly enamored with the West and may very well be seeing only what she wants to see. China is not going to suffer any reputation damage by restoring order to the city.

The problem is she does not have that power to give democracy and independence to Hong Kong which is what we all know is the ultimate goal. She withdrew the extradition bill and it did nothing to quell the protests. These are all just excuses to protest which the ultimate goal is indepedence. The media should know she doesn't have that power.

 

[SpicySichuan]

the Chinese people love the Chinese government ,

What do you say regarding the large number of Chinese private entrepreneurs (and even corrupt civil servants) sending their wives and children overseas to receive permanent residencies? When rich Chinese have the chance to leave, they leave (hopefully bringing all their moneys with them) and help foreign governments to stab the CCP in the back. When I interned in Shanghai back in 2015, somehow 3 out of 5 Chinese I spoke to aspire Western rule of law and culture, while looking down on China's political system. Although they don't want to overthrow the CCP, they clearly believe Westerners are superior to themselves (逆向民族主义) and want to marry their daughters to "handsome white men." Another group of businessmen I met in Guangzhou told me that unless China has an independent judiciary system, they hope to immigrate overseas with their money. They fear that the CCP would simply snatch their money away with administrative orders or random corruption charges. I think their understanding of the West could be ignorant, but would you say they are traitors of China? I don't have an answer for you. What I know is that they are relatively more rich compared to people from other parts of China, so they pay more tax and have relatively more access to decision makers. The thing about China is that the more rich people are, the more pro-West they seem to be.

 

[AssassinsMace]

What do you say regarding the large number of Chinese private entrepreneurs (and even corrupt civil servants) sending their wives and children overseas to receive permanent residencies? When rich Chinese have the chance to leave, they leave (hopefully bringing all their moneys with them) and help foreign governments to stab the CCP in the back. When I interned in Shanghai back in 2015, somehow 3 out of 5 Chinese I spoke to aspire Western rule of law and culture, while looking down on China's political system. Although they don't want to overthrow the CCP, they clearly believe Westerners are superior to themselves (逆向民族主义) and want to marry their daughters to "handsome white men." Another group of businessmen I met in Guangzhou told me that unless China has an independent judiciary system, they hope to immigrate overseas with their money. They fear that the CCP would simply snatch their money away with administrative orders or random corruption charges. I think their understanding of the West could be ignorant, but would you say they are traitors of China? I don't have an answer for you. What I know is that they are relatively more rich compared to people from other parts of China, so they pay more tax and have relatively more access to decision makers. The thing about China is that the more rich people are, the more pro-West they seem to be.

And there are over 100 million trips by Chinese taken abroad every year most of them the rich so how come we don't hear about all of them seeking asylum? I haven't seen any reports how other countries have Chinese population increases in the millions.

 

[getready]

The problem is she does not have that power to give democracy and independence to Hong Kong which is what we all know is the ultimate goal. She withdrew the extradition bill and it did nothing to quell the protests. These are all just excuses to protest which the ultimate goal is indepedence. The media should know she doesn't have that power.

They are demanding 5 demands. And one of which is she withdraw the bill. Apparently they refused to accept it is withdrawn when she said the bill is dead.
I guess it just the wording but for the life of me I can’t understand why saying the bill is dead is any different from saying it’s withdrawn.

 

[solarz]

What do you say regarding the large number of Chinese private entrepreneurs (and even corrupt civil servants) sending their wives and children overseas to receive permanent residencies? When rich Chinese have the chance to leave, they leave (hopefully bringing all their moneys with them) and help foreign governments to stab the CCP in the back. When I interned in Shanghai back in 2015, somehow 3 out of 5 Chinese I spoke to aspire Western rule of law and culture, while looking down on China's political system. Although they don't want to overthrow the CCP, they clearly believe Westerners are superior to themselves (逆向民族主义) and want to marry their daughters to "handsome white men." Another group of businessmen I met in Guangzhou told me that unless China has an independent judiciary system, they hope to immigrate overseas with their money. They fear that the CCP would simply snatch their money away with administrative orders or random corruption charges. I think their understanding of the West could be ignorant, but would you say they are traitors of China? I don't have an answer for you. What I know is that they are relatively more rich compared to people from other parts of China, so they pay more tax and have relatively more access to decision makers. The thing about China is that the more rich people are, the more pro-West they seem to be.

The number one reason for Chinese families to emigrate is their children's education. Education in China is extremely competitive, and going to the West for education is seen as a way to escape that competitiveness. It has nothing to do with Western law and culture.