J-XY/J-35 carrier-borne fighter thread

[Biscuits]

China is building all these carriers without knowing what naval planes it will get. Eventually it will have to deal with the problem call "fit".

The current carriers are designed for the J-15 series though.

If the J-20 is turned into a naval fighter, it would almost certainly be for the catapult carriers, and China could make them slightly larger than the USN supercarriers to reap the benefits of having larger fighters.

There’s even indications for it as the 002 has been measured to be 41 meters wide, which is as wide as the Ford carrier, despite being China’s equivalent to the Kitty Hawk carrier which was significantly smaller.

 

[Deino]

Ummmm I personally aren't acquainted with this name, so would it be possible for you to elaborate on the point you're trying to make? (I gathered that U think this author's articles are not very credible)

Indeed, Minnie is well known since years for several reports that are so much off, sometimes plain wrong against all which is confirmed by images and much more reliable sources. She always refers to "unknow" soures or "another military source close to" says ... and still reports, the J-15 are powered yb WS-10H, the J-20 already uses pre-serial WS-15 ... and so on.

 

[Shimakazerun]

I got much more hope with the FC-31. Because the guy behind that is also the one behind the J-15. Right from the start, the plane has things like dual front wheels, which you need for carrier use.

I prefer some new jet like NATF-22 or Lockheed A/FX.
A bomb bay which could load ASM is soooooooooooooo Important for a Navy stealth Jet.
And for more,a navy jet better got a 2.5Mach max speed to Intercept enemy Attackers and break through enemy AA defence

 

[Tam]

Where are you getting these numbers? They are much heavier than anything I've heard. As I recall, some reporter said that after interviewing someone from AVIC, the J-20 is a 16 ton class bird, lighter than the Su-27. Then, some big Shrimp said that the weight would increase to 17.5 tonnes. I've heard something like 12.5 tonnes for FC-31 but can't remember where. Didn't really pay much mind since at the time, it didn't seem like the project was going anywhere. I've never heard of the numbers you're giving. Where did you get them?

That is what I found according to Mr. Google. But if the plane is indeed much lighter than this, this can brighten the prospects of it for naval carrier use.

 

[Blitzo]

Whilst every attempt will be factored in the carrier design to accommodate a range of options the issue of "fit" will inevitably surface. The limiting factor will fall on any navalized version be it the J-20 or J-31. That is the experience of the USN. In other words, the plane will have to fit the carrier.

Yes, and that is not abnormal...

 

[lcloo]

That is what I found according to Mr. Google. But if the plane is indeed much lighter than this, this can brighten the prospects of it for naval carrier use.

I think J20's empty weight is much lighter than its bulky look. it has 3 empty spaces within its fuselage, i.e. The side weapons bays and main weapon bay, and also its "S" shape air inlet duct would have occupied more empty space than the straight air inlet of the Flanker family.

and when fully loaded, J20 would have carried 2 short range AAM and 4 (or 6 as some claims) medium/long range AAM. A Flanker when fully loaded might carry more missiles on its external pylons, and more loaded weight.

Just my two cents.

 

[manqiangrexue]

That is what I found according to Mr. Google. But if the plane is indeed much lighter than this, this can brighten the prospects of it for naval carrier use.

Google? Yeah, no. That's useful for declassified designs but not for extremely classified information. The FC-31 numbers, even China might not really know cus it likely has never been fully fitted yet. The only time we can get close to a reliable number on things like these are either by leaks or if AVIC makes an official statement. So far, there are a lot of statements from the development team that they have made huge weight-savings over traditional methods by 3D printing and use of composites. They were talking about some 40% weight savings over the comparable parts (such as the bulk-heads) of the F-22 design.

 

[taxiya]

China is building all these carriers without knowing what naval planes it will get. Eventually it will have to deal with the problem call "fit".

Surprising to see post like this.

Sure, you don't know, and probably nobody here knows. But what do you mean by "China"? PLAN? AVIC? How do you know that they don't know?

 

[vesicles]

China is building all these carriers without knowing what naval planes it will get. Eventually it will have to deal with the problem call "fit".

Most of the USN carriers were built at the time when third and/or fourth gen fighters were their main fighters. Now the same carriers will be hosting the new F-35’s. The USN seems to be perfectly fine with the potential “fitting” that they will need to do...

You don’t build the air fields to fit the planes... A carrier is a moving air field...

 

[Brumby]

Most of the USN carriers were built at the time when third and/or fourth gen fighters were their main fighters. Now the same carriers will be hosting the new F-35’s. The USN seems to be perfectly fine with the potential “fitting” that they will need to do...

You don’t build the air fields to fit the planes... A carrier is a moving air field...

In reality the USN did go through a process of "fit" that was part of the F-35C design consideration. The design threshold spot factor for the F-35C was established that it cannot exceed 1.24. (source : NAEC-ENG-7604, Maximum Density Aircraft Spotting CV and CVN Aircraft Carriers, LPH, LHA,7and LHD Class Ships, Revision U, dated 13 Jul 1994.)