Potential backfire from Google Ban

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hkbc

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Looking at this from an American perspective:

Now that Trump has pushed the nuclear button, the wisest thing to do is to see the whole thing through. He should not go for a truce like he did with ZTE because if Huawei does get any breathing room, things will get a lot more painful on the long run.

Well he pressed the button and the next second put it on a 90 day timer, but from an american perspective let's just brush that under the carpet Huawei losing all its international business and partners is much better click bait!
 

taxiya

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does Aptoide has any business etc in US? if so it will be similar to ARM issue.
Just like Google Play Store or Apple store, Aptoide is a web based business registered in EU, it does not have physical presence in US, but there may be some American's using the service. That is the kind of business it may have in US.

ARM is totally different thing because part of its design are done by its American design centre (materialistic), and it sells (again materialistic) licenses to Apple and Qualcomm.

What Trump can do it to block anyone within US to access Aptoide store if Trump think Aptoide "broke" any US law, but I can't see how could US materialistically force Aptoide to comply. Of course if Trump is to kidnap Aptoide's CEO when he/she travels through Canada, that would be another matter, there is no limit when all rules are scrapped. Remember the Alstom scandal?
 

taxiya

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AFAIK, Huawei can still use existing ARM CPU architectures such as the Cortex A76 in the Kirin 980. It just can't get any new licenses from ARM for future CPU architectures. The good news is that Huawei does have the permanent license for ARM v8 instruction sets, so it can go down the same path that Apple did with its A-series SoCs and develop its own in-house ARM CPU designs.
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Replacing that "ARM" with ARM "international" would be accurate.
ARM mini China (JV: 51%/49%) has the right to anything in the future that ARM "International" (ARM parent) developed outside of US. ARM mini China is cut off from the portion that ARM American design centres would make from now on.

ARM "international" is only obliged to not to sell the made-in-US, the rest of the their work is under UK law.
 

taxiya

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One thing worth to remember is that, from now on there may be two branches of ARM CPU (with or without US work). That work will result in ARM being different in design. So we must be clear of what ARM we are talking about.

Also, we should not see the Chinese version being a fork or not ARM proper, it is still ARM because it is still part of ARM (UK)'s product lines.
 

superdog

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One thing worth to remember is that, from now on there may be two branches of ARM CPU (with or without US work). That work will result in ARM being different in design. So we must be clear of what ARM we are talking about.

Also, we should not see the Chinese version being a fork or not ARM proper, it is still ARM because it is still part of ARM (UK)'s product lines.
May not matter that much in a year or two as Huawei has been developing its own ip cores. Currently they buy A76/A55 (CPU) and mali (GPU) designs from ARM, but once their own designs matured they'll only need a license to the ARMv8 instruction set, which they've already acquired a permanent one.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Good op/ed from GT
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with China, but is waging a full-scale war of conquering China without firing a shot. China is fighting for the country's economic sovereignty, as well as its scientific and technological sovereignty:
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Equation

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This is pretty funny. Even Americans know they're not the good guys and that China's 5G is heads and shoulders above anything the US has. Trevor Noah compares Trump to Tonya Harding and AT&T's fake 5G logos to putting a Lamborghini label on a Smart Car LOL. Watch if you've got a few spare minutes and want a chuckle:
Yeah I've saw it last night, that episode is hilarious.:D
 

taxiya

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May not matter that much in a year or two as Huawei has been developing its own ip cores. Currently they buy A76/A55 (CPU) and mali (GPU) designs from ARM, but once their own designs matured they'll only need a license to the ARMv8 instruction set, which they've already acquired a permanent one.
In that scenario it may not matter to Huawei. But the JV is still significant to all other Chinese phone vendors.
 

xiabonan

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It has become increasingly clear that Trump and his administration are having some serious miscalculations. Let me explain.

Today news broke that Trump said openly that he is willing to include Huawei in a potential trade deal with China, despite claiming that Huawei is somehow "dangerous" both in a civilian and military sense. There are also reports that somehow China is waiting this administration out so that they can have a friendlier government to deal with.

These reports to me suggest that Trump et al still want a deal, a "winning" deal of course. They might have expected that once they pushed the nuclear button of blacklisting Huawei, the Chinese side would immediately have to surrender and beg for a deal. But it did not happen. So the US first gave a 90 day delay, which Huawei founder said is not necessary, and then Trump came out to say Huawei can be included in a deal. It's almost as if the US is saying "why didn't you come forward to beg for a deal so that I can claim victory? If you come I can pardon you."

But none of these happened. Not only that the Chinese side did not seem to back down. There is also no mentioning of "waiting Trump out" in China.

The Chinese government now believe that this is not just about trade or any potential trade deal, maybe that's what Trump wants so that his can get re-elected, but there are people in his administration that want to take advantage of this opportunity to basically kill off Chinese tech industry.

The mentality is different for the Chinese now. At the start of the trade war, the Chinese were being too naive to think that some purchases would satiate Trump and they soon discovered this is a wrongly held belief. Now that it seems the Chinese side is embracing for a full fallout but it's Trump side that's being a little naive about this.
 
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