Chinese Economics Thread

Tam

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I thought this was interesting, and I have been looking for a place to post it.

Huawei introduces a new hi-end ARM server CPU. Huawei has previously introduced ARM server cores in the past for use in cloud servers, but the Hi1620 is the first to use Huawei's Ares microarchitecture. Previously, ARM Cortex-A72 cores were used. The chip relies on a 7 nanometer process.

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Blitzo

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Huawei P series and Mate series are considered among the very very best in the world. Nothing cheap about the Huawei Mate 20 Pro. Huawei P20 Pro and Mate 20 Pro are considered the Android phones to beat along with the Google Pixel 3 and Samsung Note 9. And when it comes to camera, DXMark have Huawei at the top with the P20 Pro and now the Mate 20 Pro, beating out the likes of Samsung, Apple and Google. These top end phones are not cheap, you are looking for $1200 without a contract plan.

Huawei is now number 2 in sales units.

Your sense of the electronics industry is just as bad as economics as the actions of the Fed doesn't line up with your theories.

Just as a bit of a segue on this topic, I am rather impressed at how Huawei has managed to reinvent itself in the consumer electronics/smartphone space in the last five or six years.

Back then they were only offering relatively cheap, average quality phones. Average software, uninspiring camera, serviceable design at best.

But since the P8/9 they've really begun to attack the more premium segment and the P10/Mate 10 of last year and the P20/Mate 20 families of this year really do elevate them into the few smartphone companies making high end, premium smart phones with all the bells and whistles and unique designs -- that still manage to sell units.


I think some of Huawei's midrange units still make up a good portion of its overall sales, and that segment simply can't really be ignored for any serious smartphone company apart from possibly Apple or Google's confusing Pixel line. But at this point in time it goes without saying that Huawei is now one of the serious smartphone players with a credible premium punch and some unique features to put it in the same category as S/Note family, Pixel, and iPhones.
This isn't even considering other Chinese smartphone makers that have garnered popularity like Xiaomi/Poco, BBK's groups (Oneplus, Oppo, Vivo), and even ZTE, who have all come out with some more interesting and better phones than the likes of Motorola, LG, Sony, HTC, Asus, Blackberry over the last year or so. The latter just aren't the big players that they once were -- even ignoring that Motorola is a Lenovo subsidiary and Blackberry's phones are made by TCL.


The idea that Chinese smartphone or consumer electronics brands are merely no-name products meant to pad out the low end is something that's like five or six years out of date.
 

vincent

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Don't insult hillbillies, you give him too much credit. Most hillbillies knows how to use Google these days.

Don't you guys see that he gets a kick out of making you guys jumping up and down?
 

Anlsvrthng

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What are you trying to say? I'm only giving examples of successful brands to countries you said that don't have any. There are plenty more Austrian, dutch, Spanish brands you have never heard of or didn't think belonged to those countries. Once again, you are moving the goal post of "known brands" to valuation of brands.

As for valuation, it is meaningless, OnePlus is a Chinese company worth peanuts, but extremely popular in Europe and North America. BP is worth billions, but doesn't mean it's a good company.

There are plenty of chinese brands that I'm sure you have never heard of that is extremely popular because they don't do consumer products. For example in oil and gas, a lot of the piping or vessel we buy are from China/Korea. My company specifically buys from 2 companies in China that is very well known in O&g for pipe parts.
It is true for every country, if you look around in Russia you can found many valuable brand that you never heard of.

Interesting is in the 1962 Dr No movie you can see Sony advertisement, and the Japanese / Koreans has many valuable global brands.

And if we go into details then based on your example one spanish brand surpass the valuation of the top three Chinese brand.

But the original point was that even if there is no brands in Eastern Europe , there are many western country that has no or only few global brand.

And if we go back to check the situation of China it has practically zero global brand .

I don't say that it is a problem, but nevertheless it is an interesting observation.
 

Anlsvrthng

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Just as a bit of a segue on this topic, I am rather impressed at how Huawei has managed to reinvent itself in the consumer electronics/smartphone space in the last five or six years.


Interesting, the Apple made 50 billion $, the Samsung made similar amount of money in 2017, the Huawei made 7.5 billion $ in the same period as profit.
 

Blitzo

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Interesting, the Apple made 50 billion $, the Samsung made similar amount of money in 2017, the Huawei made 7.5 billion $ in the same period as profit.

I'll take those numbers as is because I can't be bothered looking them up myself. Apple and Samsung have been established players at the higher end of the consumer market for longer, with a wider array of products as well. Huawei's consumer electronics offering is mostly in smartphones; no laptops, nor do they sell subcomponents for consumer electronics to other companies in the way Samsung does. So the idea that Apple and Samsung would have higher net profit is not really a surprise.


Also, please don't move the goalposts -- before you were talking was talking about Huawei selling cheap phones without brands and without recognized brand value, not about the amount of profit that Huawei makes relative to other companies.

I think that Tam and I have both demonstrated that those assertions you made are obsolete and out of date. Incorrect.


Huawei is the cheap phones offered by the carriers.
Maybe you can consider the market share of "NoName" items, or as a matter the Genius PC accessories . ( how managed the Genius to not to make a valuable brand over 30 years? )

Maybe it has brand value in China (
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) but outside of China it carry the same value like the "Agriculture Bank of China" brand : P. ( 69th most valuable global brand by Forbes , I am sure it moving lot of premium consumer goods )

But the Samsung / Sony even LG carry value beyond the cost of printing the text.
 

Anlsvrthng

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I think that Tam and I have both demonstrated that those assertions you made are obsolete and out of date. Incorrect.
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How the Huawei relating to the Samsung / Apple as brand?
Why you think that the Huawei carry any value beyond as a manufacturer of cheap phones ?

My point was simple : the Chinese brands has no or minor standing in the world.
The data supporting it, the samsung worth nine times more than the Huawei, and that is the biggest Chinese brand.
Profit difference similar .

So, if we go into data driven mode, how good is China standing in regards of brand value in the world, compared to say SK or Spain, as a matter of fact?
 

AndrewS

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Information overload.

Every discussion start to break down into million line. Like a fractal : P

Sorry : )

So, the sole Spanish brand ( that has half of its footprint in Europe ) worth more than the top two (maybe three, but I can't found the valuation of Alibaba on the interbrand.com ) Chinese brand ? ( Lenovo and Huawei )

Alibaba is bigger than Amazon in most respects.

Yet Interbrand doesn't have Alibaba on the list?
 

AndrewS

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How the Huawei relating to the Samsung / Apple as brand?
Why you think that the Huawei carry any value beyond as a manufacturer of cheap phones ?

My point was simple : the Chinese brands has no or minor standing in the world.
The data supporting it, the samsung worth nine times more than the Huawei, and that is the biggest Chinese brand.
Profit difference similar .

So, if we go into data driven mode, how good is China standing in regards of brand value in the world, compared to say SK or Spain, as a matter of fact?

Look at how Interbrand rank brands. They're measuring Facebook and Twitter! What about everything else?

3,951,056 Total Page Likes on Facebook
226,522 People Talking About This on Facebook
315,460 Twitter Followers
 
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