F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

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At this point of time, the US Armed Forces better hope that the F-35 is a F-4 miracle waiting to happen. Because unlike back in Vietnam, there is no good fallback if the F-35 flops. So much funding and maintenance for legacy fighters have been deferred for it that the USN F-18s are literally cannibalizing each other for parts.
China and Russia on other hand are still building and maintaining 4th gen fighters, and that is a smart move.
The F-35 is like a coin flip, heads you win tails you lose. No sane establishment could have acquiesced to such a procurement procedure to begin with.

The F-35 is a miracle that's happening everyday, even though its final capabilities are likely at around 65% of what it will eventually be capable of,,, but its kill ratio against 4 Gens is 20+% in realistic combat scenario's run by professional Air Forces who want to know what it really is capable of....
 
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Really Viktor???? you're a pilot? engineer? , you think the USAF, USN, USMC, UK, AUS, Japan, Denmark and all our partners,,, are more poorly informed than a "real smart guy" on SDF??

There's NO doubt the F-35 will kick 4 generation butt in vast quantities each and every day of the week, and twice on Sunday's!

when you make an ill informed, blanket statement that goes against the 5 Generation revolution, you really should consider what that does to your credibility as and SDF poster,, you're a very bright guy, but your opinion here does not reflect your intellect....

The F-35 is a miracle that's happening everyday, even though its final capabilities are likely at around 65% of what it will eventually be capable of,,, but its kill ratio against 4 Gens is 20+% in realistic combat scenario's run by professional Air Forces who want to know what it really is capable of....
At this point, I don't now that I should treat what you post as being a joke or a serious point. Any one who has ever picked up on the F-35 will know that huge political and industrial willpower is driving it forward, not just military matters alone. Most US politicians endorse it because it promises to bring jobs into their state for manufacturing the plane parts ( a very tempting, but erroneous incentive to work on). While the US Armed Forces are more or less beholden to the Pentagon who in return has very cozy relations with military industrial giants like LM. How many times have we heard reports individual test pilots being muzzled when they voiced their opinions ? Too much to be dismissed as mere slander.
While it is well known that LM also subcontracts out maintenance and production contracts to foreign US allies like Britain, Australia and Turkey. That alone is proof that money and reelection prospects are also considered in the procurement, not just military capability alone. Operational modularity amongs NATO members also formulate a strong incentive as well.
Even if after all is said and done, the F-35 turns out okay. The process of which LM had pushed the project to where it is now should be cited as a text book example of political blackmail and procurement incompetence.
No major military procurement should be pork barreled to ensure it's success, nor should the concurrent development be hailed as revolutionary for all the mess it created. And finally, no single defense company should be awarded a monopoly over their respective area.
 

Air Force Brat

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pardon me? I didn't get you last sentence

Well Jura, if you are Lockheed, you sit down with your customer,,, (lets just say USAF), you look at their requirements/desires and timetable, and they say, we want this last week!!!!

You say, there's NO WAY!, we can can do A, B, C, D, but NOT F, and not X or Y,,, we can have you flying and operational in 10 years with maintenance and spares, they say NO, well give you six months!

You Lockheed say NO Way, maybe 7 years?? the Air Force says well OK 7 years but you better figure out how to do, F, X, and Y and deliver the first aircraft on the 1st of Jan 2025,, you, ( Lockheed), know that's impossible, but you think hell, we've got 7 years of work, and get your butt busy and try to make it, (knowing there is NO WAY IN HELL, that you will)! the Air Force walks away with a contract, and the checks start rolling in,,,,

that's how it works in the real world Dog,, you can write contracts, you can work your ASS OFF, trying to make the USAF dream come true, but about 2 days in, you realize, dang, there is NO WAY we're going to meet our contract obligations!

yes there are penalties, and when they time comes you negotiate your way out of most of them..
 

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At this point, I don't now that I should treat what you post as being a joke or a serious point. Any one who has ever picked up on the F-35 will know that huge political and industrial willpower is driving it forward, not just military matters alone. Most US politicians endorse it because it promises to bring jobs into their state for manufacturing the plane parts ( a very tempting, but erroneous incentive to work on). While the US Armed Forces are more or less beholden to the Pentagon who in return has very cozy relations with military industrial giants like LM. How many times have we heard reports individual test pilots being muzzled when they voiced their opinions ? Too much to be dismissed as mere slander.
While it is well known that LM also subcontracts out maintenance and production contracts to foreign US allies like Britain, Australia and Turkey. That alone is proof that money and reelection prospects are also considered in the procurement, not just military capability alone. Operational modularity amongs NATO members also formulate a strong incentive as well.
Even if after all is said and done, the F-35 turns out okay. The process of which LM had pushed the project to where it is now should be cited as a text book example of political blackmail and procurement incompetence.
No major military procurement should be pork barreled to ensure it's success, nor should the concurrent development be hailed as revolutionary for all the mess it created. And finally, no single defense company should be awarded a monopoly over their respective area.
You have hit the nail on the head Victor this whole generation of systems are very much political tools and a real new case in point the FFGX RFI clearly states "ask industry what it can do" instead of the military telling industry what it wants and how many it simply ask what stupity same as with the 35,Ford,Zumwalt and my personal favorite LCS I just hope FFGX doesn't get screwed up as badly but I'm not holding my breath on it Eisenhower said the biggest threat to our way of life is not from outside sources but the vast military industrial complex sadly I'm beginnig to think he was right
 
now noticed the tweet
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We are aware that a number of people have come to view the arrival of the F-35 Lightning aircraft. Please be advised that it will not be arriving today (5th June), we will continue to post updates as they become available.
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now this is interesting:
Watchdog warns Pentagon to fix F-35 tech problems before full-rate production starts
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The F-35 fighter jet is finally cruising toward the
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, but a congressional watchdog is warning the Defense Department not to move to full-rate production until it’s certain it’s resolved all critical
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The F-35 Joint Program Office intends to make a decision in October 2019 on whether to move to full-rate production, but had planned to defer certain critical technical deficiencies until after that time, the Government Accountability Office stated
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That could make the program more expensive overall.

“In its rush to cross the finish line, the program has made some decisions that are likely to affect aircraft performance and reliability and maintainability for years to come. Specifically, the program office plans to resolve a number of critical deficiencies after full-rate production,” it wrote. “Resolving these deficiencies outside of the developmental program may contribute to additional concurrency costs.”

The GAO advised the F-35 JPO to resolve all critical deficiencies before full-rate production — a recommendation with which the JPO concurs and says it will pursue.

However, it’s important to understand what “resolve” means in this case.

“The Department of Defense expects the F-35 Program to resolve all critical deficiencies prior to entering Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E), with either a fix, a Service Operational Test Agency approved workaround or a formal acceptance of the deficiency,” the JPO said in a statement.

“The full-rate production decision will include an assessment of SDD [development phase] and IOT&E DRs [deficiency reports], as well as follow-on improvement DRs deferred for post-SDD action.”

Translation: While the JPO will take steps to address all critical deficiencies, there are some that may require future work in order to be completely fixed.

GAO noted that it is common practice for Defense Department acquisition programs to require that problems are “resolved” and not “fixed” because it “affords the department with more flexibility to develop alternative solutions rather than technical fixes.”

In a statement, Greg Ulmer, Lockheed Martin’s vice president of the F-35 program, said the company was working with the JPO to prioritize and correct issues.

The F-35’s next stage

The GAO report was also critical about the JPO’s new plan for Block 4 follow-on modernization, telling its congressional audience that it should consider holding back funding for that phase of the program until the JPO provides full details including an independent cost estimate, final acquisition strategy and test plan.

Last year, Vice. Adm. Mat Winter, the F-35’s program executive, announced that the JPO would pursue a path of rapid,
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during Block 4 called
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, or C2D2. The thrust behind C2D2 is for the government to constantly be developing, testing and delivering new capabilities as they become available, instead of as part of a traditional batch of upgrades every couple years.

Currently, the
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is unknown. The Department of Defense plans to update its acquisition strategy in time for a Defense Acquisition Board meeting this month, when it will decide when to start the competition for Block 4 development.

However, a full business case won’t be finalized until March 2019 — despite the fact that the Pentagon has asked for $278 million in fiscal 2019 for Block 4 development.

“As a result, DOD requested funding for modernization over a year before the program has a business case for Block 4,” the report stated.

“This means that the program is asking Congress to authorize and appropriate funds for Block 4 without insight into its complete cost, schedule, and technical baselines. Furthermore, once Congress appropriates these funds, DOD would be able to award a contract, beginning a long-term commitment to Block 4, the costs of which are not fully understood.”

However, the GAO also acknowledged that there are some elements of that plan that could end up being a boon to the DoD.

For one, it plans to use “government-owned open systems architecture and acquire data rights” for Block 4 development, which could increase competition throughout the F-35’s life cycle and make it easier and cheaper to upgrade the platform.

The C2D2 strategy may also “potentially shorten time frames for delivering capabilities over a traditional acquisition approach,” the agency said in the report.

Most of the noted flaws in the C2D2 plan revolve around oversight — specifically the DoD’s decision to keep Block 4 underneath the F-35 program instead of making it a separate acquisition program.

“According to DOD’s January 2018 report, however, each capability will be baselined separately in the program’s future Block 4 annual reports to Congress,” the GAO noted. “We will review these future reports to Congress to determine what level of insight they provide into the program’s cost, schedule, and performance goals.”

as I said, it's all about Lockheed Martin (
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took a closer look now; p. 13 (18 of 35 in the PDF document linked below):

"To complete the F-35 development program without further delays, the
program office plans to defer
resolving—to fix or have an approved work
around—a portion of the known deficiencies to post-development efforts.
During testing, issues identified with the
aircraft’s performance are
reported to the program office as deficiencies, which are then categorized
based on how severely the deficiency impacts the aircraft’s performance.

Category 1 deficiencies are those that could jeopardize safety,
security, or another critical requirement.

Category 2 deficiencies are those that could impede or constrain
successful mission accomplishment.
According to program office officials, in early 2017 the program office
determined that not all open deficiencies found in developmental testing
could be resolved
within the cost and schedule of the development
contract. As a result, the program office and the military services
reviewed all open deficiencies and determined that about 30 percent of
them needed to be resolved before completing development. According
to program officials, some of the remaining deficiencies will be resolved
through post-development contracts and not on the baseline development
contract.
While the program office’s plans for resolving deficiencies remain in flux,
officials told us that some are expected to be resolved on future contracts
and not through the existing development contract. DOD officials have
stated that the program will hold a summit later this year to determine
who will be responsible for the costs associated with
resolving the remaining deficiencies.
As of January 2018, the F-35 program had 966 open deficiencies
—111
category 1 and 855 category 2. At least 25 category 1 deficiencies and
165 category 2 deficiencies will not be resolved before
full-rate production. ..."

etc. etc.:
F-35 JOINT STRIKE
FIGHTER
Development Is
Nearly Complete, but
Deficiencies Found in
Testing Need to Be
Resolved
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Air Force Brat

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At this point, I don't now that I should treat what you post as being a joke or a serious point. Any one who has ever picked up on the F-35 will know that huge political and industrial willpower is driving it forward, not just military matters alone. Most US politicians endorse it because it promises to bring jobs into their state for manufacturing the plane parts ( a very tempting, but erroneous incentive to work on). While the US Armed Forces are more or less beholden to the Pentagon who in return has very cozy relations with military industrial giants like LM. How many times have we heard reports individual test pilots being muzzled when they voiced their opinions ? Too much to be dismissed as mere slander.
While it is well known that LM also subcontracts out maintenance and production contracts to foreign US allies like Britain, Australia and Turkey. That alone is proof that money and reelection prospects are also considered in the procurement, not just military capability alone. Operational modularity amongs NATO members also formulate a strong incentive as well.
Even if after all is said and done, the F-35 turns out okay. The process of which LM had pushed the project to where it is now should be cited as a text book example of political blackmail and procurement incompetence.
No major military procurement should be pork barreled to ensure it's success, nor should the concurrent development be hailed as revolutionary for all the mess it created. And finally, no single defense company should be awarded a monopoly over their respective area.

"Baloney" Victor, NO test pilots have been "muzzled",, LockMart is the PRIME CONTRACTOR, they share production with Boeing and lots of other contractors.. every government funded project in the US is let out for bid, no "blackmail".....

LockMart is very good at what they do,,, the "OWN" the market, because nobody else has the technology, nor the expertise to win those contracts, Boeing had an aircraft in competition with the X-35, their own X-32,,,,, it was and is a DOG! The X-35 won the contract against every other competing design, and then beat Boeing out in the Fly-Off, if the Fly-Off were held today, tomorrow, next year, ten years from now, the X-35 would still kick the poor little ugly X-32's butt, over and over again!

Oh, and China did not attempt to use ANY design elements from the X-32, did they, LOL!

in addition NorthRupp welds up the titanium center fuse section using robotics, a great contract win for their own innovation...
 
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