China's overland Silk Road and Maritime Silk Road Thread

Orthan

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US, japan, india, australia are talking about launching an alternative to china´s belt and road initiative.

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IMO the biggest question here is what will be the bill and who will pay for it. If this is an alternative, the US will have to foot the majority of it. After all that the trump administration said about "america first", will they be willing for it?
 
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Equation

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US, japan, india, australia are talking about launching an alternative to china´s belt and road initiative.

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IMO the biggest question here is what will be the bill and who will pay for it. If this is an alternative, the US will have to foot the majority of it. After all that the trump administration said about "america first", will they be willing for it?

Funny how the same group of gang of four (US, Japan, India and Australia) were once critical about how China's OBOR is a waste of money and investment and how it will not work. Oh the irony, now they will try to do the same, but without as much confidence and assurances as China.
 

supercat

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Out of the four, only India is actually located in Euroasia and can directly benefit from the Silk Road part of the project. However, unlike China, India lacks the expertise and capability for large scale construction projects overseas. In fact, she can barely satisfy her domestic demand.
 

B.I.B.

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Maybe its time for China to revisit the Kra canal project with Thailand.

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By: 永久浪客/Forever Vagabond

The Kra Canal or the Thai Canal refers to a proposal for a canal to cut through the southern isthmus of Thailand, connecting the Gulf of Thailand with the Andaman Sea. It would provide an alternative to transit through the Strait of Malacca and shorten transit for shipments of oil to East Asian countries like Japan and China by 1,200 km, saving much time. China refers to it as part of its 21st century maritime Silk Road.

China is keen on the Kra Canal project partly for strategic reasons. Presently,
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from the Middle East and Africa passes through the Straits of Malacca. China has long recognized that in a potential conflict with other rivals, particularly with the US, the Strait of Malacca could easily be blockaded, cutting-off its oil lifeline. Former Chinese President Hu Jintao even coined a term for this, calling it China’s “Malacca Dilemma”.

History of Kra Canal

The
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shipping time and distance through the proposed Kra Canal is not new. It was proposed as early as in 1677 when Thai King Narai asked the French engineer de Lamar to survey the possibility of building a waterway to connect Songkhla with Marid (now Myanmar), but the idea was discarded as impractical with the technology of that time.


In 1793, the idea resurfaced. The younger brother of King Chakri suggested it would make it easier to protect the west coast with military ships. In the early 19th century, the British East India Company became interested in a canal. After Burma became a British colony in 1863, an exploration was undertaken with Victoria Point (Kawthaung) opposite the Kra estuary as its southernmost point, again with negative result. In 1882, the constructor of the Suez canal, Ferdinand de Lesseps, visited the area, but the Thai king did not allow him to investigate in detail.

In 1897, Thailand and the British empire agreed not to build a canal so as to maintain the importance of Singapore as a shipping hub, since by that time, Singapore was already prospering as an international hub with great importance to the British.

In the 20th century the idea resurfaced with various proposals to build the canal but did not go far due to various constraints including technology and cost constraints as well as indecisive political leadership of Thailand.

China shows Thailand the money

In the last decade, China has now become the potential game changer who can possibly turn Kra Canal proposal into reality in the 21st century. It has the money, technology and strong political leadership and will to support the project if it wants to.

Last year, news emerged that China and Thailand have signed an MOU to advance the Kra Canal project. On 15 May 2015, the MOU was signed by the China-Thailand Kra Infrastructure Investment and Development company (中泰克拉基礎設施投資開發有限公司) and Asia Union Group in Guangzhou. According to the news reports, the Kra Canal project will take a decade to complete and incur a cost of US$28 billion.

But 4 days later on 19 May, it was reported that both Chinese and Thai governments denied there was any official agreement between the 2 governments to build the canal.

A
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by the Chinese embassy in Thailand said that China has not taken part in any study or cooperation on the matter. It later clarified that the organisations who signed the MOU have no links to the Chinese government. Separately, Xinhua news agency traced the announcement of the canal project to another Chinese firm Longhao, which declined comment when contacted.

Dr Zhao Hong, an expert on China-Asean relations from the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, told the media that China would not embark on such a project lightly, given the political and bilateral implications.

“China will have to consider the feedback from countries such as Singapore, which it has friendly ties with, given the impact that the Kra canal might have,” he said at the time ............."
 

vincent

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Completely pointless. Indian Andaman Islands are right on the other side
 

supercat

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Nepal leader vows to revive Chinese dam project, open to review pact over Nepalese soldiers in India
New communist prime minister says extending Tibet rail to Kathmandu will spur trade, seeks to widen options beyond India

Nepal’s new communist prime minister will restart a Chinese-led US$2.5 billion hydropower project that was pulled by the previous government considered friendly towards India, and wants to increase infrastructure connectivity with Beijing to ease the country’s reliance on New Delhi.

He also wants to “update” relations with India “in keeping with the times” and favours a review of all special provisions of Indo-Nepal relations, including the long-established practice of Nepalese soldiers serving India’s armed forces.

“Political prejudice or pressure from rival companies may have been instrumental in scrapping of the project. But for us, hydropower is a main focus and come what may, we will revive the Budhi Gandaki project,” Communist Party of Nepal (Unified Marxist-Leninist) leader Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli told the This Week in Asia in an exclusive interview, his first since taking office on Thursday.

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Graphic: SCMP

The contract to build a dam on the Budhi Gandaki river in central-western Nepal turned into a political hot potato after it was awarded last June to China’s Gezhouba Group by a government headed by Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist Centre) leader Pushpa Kamal Dahal, as part of China’s “Belt and Road Initiative” that Nepal joined the previous month. The next prime minister, from the Nepali Congress,
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, in a move seen as a concession to pressure from India, which has been wary of a growing Chinese footprint in what it sees as its sphere of influence.

Oli’s UML and the Maoist Centre formed the Left alliance that swept to power in this landmark election, Nepal’s first after the promulgation of its new constitution restructuring the Himalayan country as a federal republic. The two communist parties are also inching towards a merger, which China has always advocated.

“Our petroleum usage has been increasing but we import all of it. We urgently need to develop hydropower to reduce our dependence on petroleum,” Oli said.

Almost all of Nepal’s petroleum is imported from India. Its fuel import bill has tripled in the past five years, adding to the ballooning trade deficit with India, which stood at around US$6 billion in the last financial year (July 15, 2016 to July 15, 2017). The trade deficit with India constitutes about 80 per cent of Nepal’s overall deficit.

Nepal’s emphasis on hydropower has made it an arena of shadow boxing between the two regional giants. India’s GMR and SJVN have been given the contracts for two other dam projects while China’s Three Gorges Corporation is to develop another.

Oli’s rift with New Delhi, which it had blamed for engineering his government’s fall in August 2016, has been growing in recent years. As prime minister between 2015 and 2016, he locked horns with India over Nepal’s new constitution, which New Delhi resisted on the ground that it discriminated against people of the southern plains of Nepal adjoining India who are of Indian ancestry.

When India retaliated with a
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, he reached out to China to overcome the crisis and inked several vital agreements. He later cancelled a visit by Nepal’s president to India and recalled the Nepalese ambassador to the country, in rare acts of defiance by a Nepalese leader against the dominant southern neighbour. In this election, Oli successfully tapped the groundswell of anti-India sentiment in Nepal as a result of the blockade, lacing his stump speeches with rhetoric against India that fetched his party 121 seats in the 275-member Parliament.

But back in power, he is weighing his words more carefully.

“We’ve always had excellent relations with India. There were some elements in the Indian establishment that caused some misunderstanding, but Indian leaders have assured us that there will be no interference in the future and we will respect each other’s sovereign rights,” he said.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, too, has been trying to mend fences. He has called Oli three times since he won, and sent External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj this month to reinforce the message of cooperation. Delhi is particularly concerned about growing Chinese interests in Nepal, the latest South Asian country that appears to be drifting away from India’s control. Maldives is now run by a man who makes no bones about courting China and playing it off against India, while massive Chinese investments have deeply entrenched Chinese interests in Sri Lanka.

But despite the careful diplomatese of peace and goodwill with India, Oli is keen to broaden his options by deepening ties with China to get more leverage in his dealings with Delhi. “We have great connectivity with India and an open border. All that’s fine and we’ll increase connectivity even further, but we can’t forget that we have two neighbours,” Oli said. “We don’t want to depend on one country or have one option.”

He sees infrastructure development as an important means to narrow the distance with China, whose physical remoteness compared with next-door India is a hindrance to deeper Sino-Nepal relations.

“Technology allows us to reimagine distance. Can you believe that in 1970, it used to take me two days to reach Kathmandu from my home in eastern Nepal?

“Once China brings its rail network up to Shigatse and then Kyirong in Tibet, it should be easy to extend it to Nepal. It’s lower altitude than Tibet, and the terrain is actually sloping all the way down from Kyirong. Apart from that, three roads are under construction connecting China and Nepal, which should be ready in a couple of years. If we can connect this railway network to our east-west rail project, it can revolutionise China-India trade, with Nepal in the middle” he said.

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Nepal’s government hopes the dam, seen here in an illustration, will help lower fuel costs. Photo: Handout

China aims to extend the Qinghai-Tibet railway to the Nepal border by 2020 and has expressed interest in extending it to Kathmandu. Kyirong in Tibet is about 25km from Nepal’s Rasuwagadhi border transit point, which is 50km from Kathmandu. The Nepalese government is understood to be working on a plan to build a road tunnel between Rasuwagadhi and Kathmandu that will radically shorten the travel time.

Apart from infrastructure and power, cyber connectivity is also among Oli’s thrust areas. Nepal last month ended India’s monopoly in the field by joining forces with China to offer internet services to its people after laying optical fibre cables between Kyirong and Rasuwagadhi.

The loss of a captive internet market is a sign of the increasing competition India is facing in the country it once dominated as China makes deep inroads. The Indo-Nepal Treaty of Peace and Friendship of 1950, which Nepalese nationalists believe compromises Nepal’s ability to pursue an independent defence and foreign policy, is also being revised. But despite their recent differences, India and Nepal share deep historical and cultural bonds, apart from an open border that allows millions to freely work and travel in each other’s territory. More than 25,000 Nepalese serve in the Indian Army and another 20,000 Nepalese are in Indian paramilitary and police forces, an arrangement that offends some in Nepal.

“This should be internally and mutually discussed and corrected, if necessary. We live in a new world, and Nepal is starting a new journey, we have to update whatever is considered outdated and bring it in line with the modern era,” Oli said.

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mr.bean

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US, japan, india, australia are talking about launching an alternative to china´s belt and road initiative.

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IMO the biggest question here is what will be the bill and who will pay for it. If this is an alternative, the US will have to foot the majority of it. After all that the trump administration said about "america first", will they be willing for it?

Nothing is going to come out of this so called ''alternative''. it's just all talk and no action. if they were even remotely serious then why didn't anyone from this pathetic 'gang of 4' come out with this plan before China's OBOR. it's just knee jerk reaction to counter China's moves.
 

timepass

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Geopolitical Challenges of South Asia’s Silk Roads....

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This ambitious initiative aims to expand China’s mainland and maritime trade routes to the furthest corners of the world, solidify them in terms of tangible connective infrastructure projects that unleash its partners’ full economic potential, and ultimately use this new network as the basis for constructing multi polar institutions to complement, compete with, and then finally replace their existing uni polar counterparts.

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BRI is not only about building ports, roads and railways.

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New 5,000 km highway paves way for more China-Russia cooperation
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Published May 18, 2018 at 10:37 PM
Updated May 18, 2018 at 10:48 PM
China and Russia have started trial runs on a highway that links China’s port city of Dalian with Russia’s third largest city of Novosibirsk. As CGTN’s Xu Xinchen reports.







It’s Shi Junren’s second time driving to Russia. Over the span of five days, he will cover over 5,000 kilometers in his truck.

“We will be moving local goods, such as fruit, from Dalian to Russia, and then move Russian goods back,” he said.

Shi is among a select group of truck drivers that will be the first to use a new route linking China’s Dalian with Russia’s Novosibirsk.

“The 5,500-kilometer road transport route goes through 20 Chinese and Russian cities and borders. The route links the Asia Pacific and Europe, and it could help integrate the Belt and Road Initiative with Russia’s Eurasian Economic Union,” Vice Minister of the Ministry of Transport Liu Xiaoming said.

The Russian Ministry of Transport’s Alexei Dvoinykh agreeed.

“The new route means that Russia and China have common views on the two countries’ cooperation,” he said. “The Russian people are looking forward to more goods from China – great opportunities for Chinese companies.”

Trade volume between China and Russia stood at around $80 billion last year – but the plan is to more than double that amount by 2020. The new Dalian-Novosibirsk route is expected to help achieve that goal, but making it more time efficient is important.

The new route implements the United Nations’ TIR system – which could cut custom clearance time up to 80 percent.

“The goods will be inspected at the origin and only be inspected at the final destination,” Secretary General of the International Road Transport Union Umberto de Pretto said. “I mean, it could go through all the different borders without stopping the truck, without having to open the truck, because it is sealed at the origin and will only be inspected at the final destination. So it’s a huge facilitation advantage.”

Once the first batch of trucks arrives, authorities will assess the trip and make adjustments, if needed, before the road is finally opened.

The new route opens for doors for businesses, but there’s also a human element. Quicker trips mean these drivers can get back to their families that much earlier.
 
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