China's strategy in Korean peninsula

Where is the Chinese delegate to support reconciliation in Korea? There is a gorilla in the room hell bent on keeping tensions high. Give peace a chance.

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U.S. Vice President Mike Pence attends the Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Pyeongchang, South Korea, as North Korea's nominal head of state, Kim Yong Nam, and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's younger sister, Kim Yo Jong, sit behind him Friday. | REUTERS
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Pence’s bid to isolate North Korea at Olympics falls flat
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PYEONGCHANG – For all of Vice President Mike Pence’s efforts to keep North Korea from stealing the show at the Winter Olympics, the images of the two Koreas marching together — and their officials shaking hands — at a time of heightened tensions on the peninsula proved impossible to counteract.

Pence spent the days leading up to Friday’s opening ceremonies warning that the North was trying to “hijack the message and imagery of the Olympic Games” with its “propaganda.”





But the North was still welcomed with open arms to what South Korean President Moon Jae-in called “Olympic games of peace” and the U.S. appeared to be the one left out in the cold.

Pence sat stone-faced in his seat as Moon and North Koreans officials stood together with much of the stadium to applaud their joint team of athletes. White House officials stressed that Pence had applauded only for the American team, but Asia experts said the vice president’s refusal to stand could be seen as disrespectful to the hosts.

U.S. officials have been urging South Korea to be cautious in its rapprochement with the North — a point Pence drilled home in private meetings with Moon on Thursday.

But North Korea’s terrible record on human rights and the growing threat from its nuclear weapons program appeared out of mind as Moon warmly greeted Kim Yo Jong, the sister of dictator Kim Jong Un, and Kim Yong Nam, the country’s 90-year-old nominal head of state.

Even Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who has shared the American skepticism of warming inter-Korean relations, greeted Kim Yong Nam.

At an earlier VIP reception for delegation leaders, Pence arrived late and stayed for just 5 minutes — and did not interact with the delegation from the North.

“The Koreans will think it’s a mood kill,” said Frank Jannuzi, an expert on East Asia at the Mansfield Foundation in Washington. He criticized the Trump administration for straining too hard to signal disgust of Kim Jong Un’s government.

“The grievances that the world has about North Korea are very legitimate. But the Olympic moment that President Moon is trying to generate here is not a time to nurse those grievances,” Jannuzi said. “It’s a time to focus on messages of reconciliation and peace.”

As it turned out, with the two Koreas celebrating a moment of unity, the United States was left outmaneuvered by an adversary and out of step with an ally.

Past administrations have been wary of efforts by Pyongyang to drive a wedge between Washington and Seoul, but still generally supportive of efforts to calm tensions at the heavily militarized border.

On Saturday, Kim Yo Jong and other North Korean delegates arrived at Seoul’s presidential palace for a lunch meeting with Moon. Rumors were swirling that she could be carrying an offer for Moon to travel to North Korea. The last inter-Korean summit was in 2007.

That may turn out to be errant speculation, but the U.S. doesn’t appear to share global relief that there’s a glimmer of hope for diplomacy after a year of escalating tensions and fears of nuclear war, fueled by insults slung between President Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un.

Although South Korea has been a trenchant supporter of Trump’s campaign of “maximum pressure” against North Korea, Moon has been keen to use the Olympics to pry open the door to better relations with its adversary. North Korea has jumped at the opportunity.

The downside for Washington is that it could expose growing differences with Seoul on the best way to deal with North Korea and achieve the ultimate goal of denuclearization.

American officials attempted to paint a rosier picture of Friday’s ceremony as showing solidarity among allies. They stressed the North Koreans in the VIP box had watched Pence, Moon and Abe hold a running discussion in the front row for the more than two-hour ceremonies.

The officials, who spoke on condition because they were not authorized to discuss the U.S. approach publicly, also denied that Pence had been blindsided by the seating arrangement — with the North Koreans in the row behind him, allowing Kim Yo Jong to be easily pictured in profile next to the vice president.

Although some White House aides were leery that the arrangement could produce less-than-ideal optics for Pence, there was no concerted effort to lobby their Korean counterparts for a change, in part out of fear of upsetting the Olympic hosts, said one administration official.

“It’s not a complete disaster,” said James Schoff, former senior Pentagon adviser for East Asia policy. He supported Pence’s moves to meet with North Korean defectors, paying respects at a memorial to 46 South Korean sailors killed in a 2010 torpedo attack blamed on the North. Pence also invited as his Olympics guest the father of U.S. college student Otto Warmbier, who died after he was imprisoned by North Korea for stealing a propaganda poster.

But Schoff said that by pouring cold water on hopes for better inter-Korean relations, Pence’s stance could be viewed as critical of Moon’s outreach to North Korea.

“The fact that’s become the narrative is due in part to things that he’s said and his body language,” Schoff said.

While Moon did not hesitate to shake hands and smile with his North Korean visitors, Pence didn’t appear to even look in the direction of the North Korean delegation during the Friday event.
 
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Spotlight: Xi's envoy makes fruitful S. Korea trip on Winter Olympics, peninsula situation Xinhua| 2018-02-10 05:17:47
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Chinese President
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's special envoy Han Zheng has met with South Korean President Moon Jae-in,
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e (IOC) President Thomas Bach, and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, respectively, before the opening of the PyeongChang Winter Olympics.

Han, a member of the Standing Committee of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee, exchanged views with them on issues of China-South Korea ties, the Korean Peninsula situation, winter Olympics and China-UN cooperation, reaching positive consensus during his trip.

FURTHER ENHANCING CHINA-SOUTH KOREA TIES

Han met with Moon Jae-in on Thursday and conveyed Xi's greetings to Moon and Xi's wishes that the PyeongChang Winter Olympics would achieve a great success.

China and South Korea are close neighbors geographically and natural partners. Since the establishment of diplomatic ties in 1992, their relationship has achieved development in an all-round manner, Han said.

Recalling Moon's successful state visit to China in December and his telephone conversation with Xi at the beginning of this year, Han said the two leaders had reached important consensus on developing bilateral ties as well as strengthening coordination on key international and regional issues.

Guided by the consensus of the two leaders, China is willing to work with South Korea to insist on mutual respect and support, fully embark on communication and dialogue at all levels, further stimulate exchanges and cooperation, properly handle sensitive issues, and increase mutual understanding and trust, in order to push for constant progress in bilateral relations, Han told Moon.

For his part, Moon asked Han to convey his cordial greetings to Xi and thanked Han for attending the opening ceremony of the PyeongChang Winter Olympics.

South Korea and China are important neighbors and cooperative partners and bilateral ties are now at a new starting point, said the South Korean president.

South Korea is willing to work in a positive manner with China to enhance political mutual trust and friendship, boost exchanges at all levels, deepen pragmatic cooperation, strengthen coordination on international and regional affairs and push forward the development of the South Korea-China strategic cooperative partnership, Moon said.

POSITIVE CHANGES IN PENINSULA SITUATION

On the Korean Peninsula issue, Han said the situation on the peninsula is undergoing positive changes as South Korea and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (
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) took the opportunity of the PyeongChang Winter Olympics to restart dialogue and commence cooperation. The relationship between the two sides has been improved.

China supports the conciliation and cooperation between South Korea and the DPRK, and hopes that relevant parties would meet each other half way and make joint efforts to further ease tensions on the peninsula and push forward the political settlement process of the peninsula issue, Han said.

Expressing his appreciation for China's positive role in improving the situation on the Korean Peninsula, Moon said his country is willing to maintain communication and coordination with China to push forward the inter-Korean dialogue facilitated by the PyeongChang Winter Olympics, to solve the peninsula issue through peaceful means and to achieve sustainable peace and prosperity in the region.

Moon is scheduled to have lunch with a high-ranking DPRK delegation, led by Kim Yong Nam, president of the Presidium of the DPRK Supreme People's Assembly on Saturday.

On Sunday, the 140-member Samjiyon orchestra from DPRK will bring its second concert to South Korean audience at the National Theater of Korea in Seoul. It has completed the first one in Gangneung on Thursday night.

COMMITMENT TO 2022 BEIJING WINTER OLYMPICS

Han met Friday with Bach, president of the IOC, saying that China attaches importance to the significant role of the Olympic Movement in economic and social development, adding that China is willing to make greater contributions to the Olympic affairs.

China attaches great importance to and strongly supports the preparations for the Beijing Winter Olympics, Han said.

China will fully honor the commitment it made when bidding for the 2022 Winter Olympics, faithfully follow the Olympic Agenda 2020, hold on to the idea of hosting the Games on a green, sharing, open and clean basis, in order to deliver to the world a splendid, fantastic and extraordinary Winter Olympics, Han added.

Bach, for his part, spoke highly of China's preparations for the Beijing Winter Olympics, saying that he believes China will deliver a green, clean, high-tech and sustainable Games. The IOC will continue its close collaboration and cooperation with China to ensure a successful 2022 Winter Olympics, he said.

Han also met with UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres here Friday.

Han said President Xi's vision to foster a new type of international relations and build a community with a shared future for mankind, has been incorporated into UN General Assembly and Security Council resolutions, and become an international consensus.

China always supports the UN in playing a positive role in international affairs, resolutely upholds the world body's authority and stature, and will continue to actively participate in and support the UN's work in various fields, Han said.

He added that China will facilitate building a new type of international relations featuring mutual respect, fairness, justice and win-win cooperation, and actively promote the international cooperation under the Belt and Road Initiative.

The Belt and Road Initiative, proposed by China in 2013, aims to build trade and infrastructure networks connecting Asia with Europe and Africa based on ancient land and maritime trade routes.

The Chinese envoy said China will push for an economic globalization that is more open and inclusive, more balanced, more equitable and beneficial to all, and remain a builder of world peace, a contributor to global development and a defender of the international order.

Guterres said the UN highly values China's international stature and influence, and is willing to work closely with China to address various challenges facing the world.
 

manqiangrexue

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Oh gosh, isn't she charming? (
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) When it comes to PR, Pence is at least as badly outclassed by her as North Korea's conventional forces are by the US military. Selecting her as an envoy is a rare situation where I think North Korea made a really smart decision.

Anyway, important parts in bold, GREEN indicates when the Grinch music comes on LOL

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Kim Jong Un invites South Korean president for summit: South Korea
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Kim Yo Jong, left, sister of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, shakes hands with South Korean President Moon Jae-in at the opening ceremony of the 2018 Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang, South Korea, Friday, Feb. 9, 2018. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky, Pool)
By Hyonhee Shin and Soyoung Kim

SEOUL/PYEONGCHANG, South Korea (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong Un invited South Korean President Moon Jae-in for talks in Pyongyang, South Korean officials said on Saturday, setting the stage for the first meeting of Korean leaders in more than 10 years.

Any meeting would represent a diplomatic coup for Moon, who swept to power last year on a policy of engaging more with the reclusive North and has pushed for a diplomatic solution to the standoff over North Korea's nuclear and missile program.

The recent detente, anchored by South Korea's hosting of the Winter Olympic Games that began on Friday, came despite an acceleration in the North's weapons programs last year and pressure from Seoul's allies in Washington.

The personal invitation from Kim was delivered verbally by his younger sister, Kim Yo Jong, during talks and a lunch Moon hosted at the presidential Blue House in Seoul.

Kim Jong Un wanted to meet Moon "in the near future" and would like for him to visit North Korea "at his earliest convenience", his sister told Moon, who had said "let's create the environment for that to be able to happen," Blue House spokesman Kim Eui-kyeom told a news briefing.

A Blue House official said Moon "practically accepted" the invitation.


"We would like to see you at an early date in Pyongyang", Kim Yo Jong told Moon during the lunch, and also delivered her brother's personal letter that expressed his "desire to improve inter-Korean relations," the Blue House said.

The prospect of two-way talks between the Koreas, however, may not be welcomed by the United States.

Washington has pursued a strategy of exerting maximum pressure on Pyongyang through tough sanctions and harsh rhetoric, demanding it give up its pursuit of nuclear weapons first for any dialogue to occur.

"This is the strongest action yet by North Korea to drive a wedge between the South and the United States," said Kim Sung-han, a former South Korean vice foreign minister and now a professor at Korea University in Seoul.Moon asked the North Korean delegation during Saturday's meeting to more actively seek dialogue with the United States, saying that "early resumption of dialogue (between the two) is absolutely necessary for developments in the inter-Korean relations as well," the South said.

It said the two sides held "a comprehensive discussion ... on the inter-Korean relations and various issues on the Korean peninsula in an amicable atmosphere," but did not say whether the North's weapons program was mentioned.

A visit by Moon to the North would enable the first summit between leaders from the two Koreas since 2007, and would mark only the third inter-Korean summit to take place.

EXTREME PRESSURE

Pyongyang conducted its largest nuclear test last year and in November tested its most advanced intercontinental ballistic missile that experts said has the range to reach anywhere in the United States.

U.S. President Donald Trump and the North Korean leadership traded insults and threats of nuclear war as tensions rose, with Trump repeatedly dismissing the prospect or value of talks with North Korea.

U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, also in South Korea for the Olympics, has said the United States and South Korea were closely aligned in their approach to dealing with North Korea.

"I am very confident, as President Trump is, that President Moon will continue to stand strongly with us in our extreme-pressure campaign," Pence told NBC in an interview on Friday, maintaining all options were open to deal with the crisis.

"Make no mistake about it, the United States of America has viable military options to deal with a nuclear threat from North Korea but, that being said, we hope for a better path," he said.

Pence said he would seek to counter North Korea's attempt to use the Olympics for propaganda and invited the father of Otto Warmbier, an American student who died last year after being imprisoned in North Korea for 17 months, to the Games in Pyeongchang.

Before leaving South Korea on Saturday evening, Pence watched short track speed skating games, with Fred Warmbier seated behind him.

Moon, who returned to the Games venue, joined Pence in the arena and sat next to him, turned around to greet Warmbier, according to a White House pool report.

Later, Moon watched the joint Korean women's ice hockey team - the first ever combined team at the Olympics - take on Switzerland, joining Kim Yo Jong and Kim Yong Nam, the North's nominal head of state, who is also visiting the South for the Games. [L4N1Q007Q]

North and South Korea are technically still at war after their 1950-53 conflict ended in a truce rather than a peace treaty. The United States fought with South Korea and maintains tens of thousands of troops and an "ironclad" agreement to protect its ally.

North Korea has spent years developing its military, saying it needs to protect itself from U.S. aggression.

Moon hoped to use the Olympics to ease tensions and North Korea agreed to send high-profile officials as well as athletes.

Pence and the North Korean delegation, who both attended the Games opening ceremony, had no contact with each other.

Kim Yo Jong, 28, is the first member of the ruling Kim family bearing the bloodline of the sacred Mount Paektu, a centerpiece of the North's idolization and propaganda campaign, to cross the border into the South since the 1950-53 Korean War.

At the Blue House meeting, the delegations shared a lunch of dried pollack dumpling soup, a regional speciality of the only divided province on the Korean peninsula, and soju, a spirit popular on both sides of the heavily militarized border.
 

Equation

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Somebody got left out in the cold and than try to save face by not even bother to shake hands with the DPRK dignitary and than skip dinner to "meet with the US athletes" instead.o_O

Mike Pence Left Out In Cold At Winter Olympics VIP Reception
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Ron Dicker,HuffPost Fri, Feb 9 6:21 AM CST


Vice President
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didn’t get the VIP treatment at a VIP reception before the
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opening ceremony on Friday.

He
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after showing up late, after the dinner started, The Washington Post’s Anna Fifield reported.

The veep, who is representing President Donald Trump’s administration at the games, was supposed to dine with the U.S. athletes instead.

Then it got even more awkward.

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with everyone around a table of dignitaries, except North Korea’s ceremonial head of state, Kim Yong Nam, the Post noted. Kim was seated between United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres and International Olympic Committee Chairman Thomas Bach, so the apparent snub likely created a bit of tension.

Reuters reported that
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at the reception briefly because of his appointment with the Americans.
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manqiangrexue

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South Korea has to make sure there are no American food ingredients in food served to North Koreans Olympic athletes or it's violating US sanctions.

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Pettiness is the biggest sign of decline.

In 1988, my father first came to the US and asked a police officer how to get to his research institute from the airport. The officer hailed my father a cab and praised his acceptance to such a prestigious institution, wishing him good luck in his future endeavors. When my father arrived at his dormitory, he asked the driver for the total and the driver replied that all costs, including tip, had been covered by the police officer.

In 2018, Americans send old man Lurch to try to stop Koreans from talking to each other at the Olympic games and refuse American food from being served to North Korean Olympic athletes. This is not the same country anymore.
 

Phead128

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Mike Pence refusing to stand up during the host country's entrance is shameful. Why even bother attending the ceremony at all if you are not going to stand up for the host nation?

US is increasingly isolated by it's hostile policy against NK and US risks looking like an insolent child trying to play the role of spoiler against SK's peace initiative.

NK has deftly sensed a fissure/split between US and SK, and has deftly exploited this split by offering SK President Moon an invitation to visit Pyongyang.

Who says NK doesn't serve China's interest in splitting the US-SK alliance? The more US barks at SK peace initiative, the more alienation of it's SK ally, and the weaker the US-SK alliance becomes!
 

Lethe

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Pettiness is the biggest sign of decline.

In 1988, my father first came to the US and asked a police officer how to get to his research institute from the airport. The officer hailed my father a cab and praised his acceptance to such a prestigious institution, wishing him good luck in his future endeavors. When my father arrived at his dormitory, he asked the driver for the total and the driver replied that all costs, including tip, had been covered by the police officer.

In 2018, Americans send old man Lurch to try to stop Koreans from talking to each other at the Olympic games and refuse American food from being served to North Korean Olympic athletes. This is not the same country anymore.

Of course it's the same country. America has always behaved like an angry teenager toward nations that displease it: the Soviet Union, China, Iran, Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, Palestine. Even other western nations such as France: remember "Freedom Fries"?

America is a bully that is used to getting its way. When things don't work out, the response is anger, denial, and every variety of petty retribution that can be conceived.
 
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Of course it's the same country. America has always behaved like an angry teenager toward nations that displease it: the Soviet Union, China, Iran, Vietnam, Cuba, North Korea, Palestine. Even other western nations such as France: remember "Freedom Fries"?

America is a bully that is used to getting its way. When things don't work out, the response is anger, denial, and every variety of petty retribution that can be conceived.
I think
#1408 Lethe, Today at 4:11 AM
is country bashing post;

note I've been fairly critical about a number of Pentagon programs (LOL links would be probably in all US-Military-related threads), so I'm definitely NOT a US fanboi
plus, when I lived in the US, I saw the level of crime which I had thought was just in the movies, and, to my total surprise, I saw poverty (hadn't seen in the movies)

anyway it looks like only a reference to Big Satan is missing in
#1408 Lethe, Today at 4:11 AM
and this type of posts should be avoided (in the past it would've been taken care of by Moderators, now I don't even bother with reporting)

the point is this: imagine if I now referred to China and brought up past conflicts or, oops, Dalai Lama (I said if and it's obvious I wouldn't do it);
see my point?
 

Lethe

Captain
We are discussing US Vice President Pence' petulant behaviour towards North Korea (and, by extension, disrespect for the host, South Korea) at the Winter Olympics. I only point out that this behaviour is in fact not unusual for the world's most powerful nation, and does not reflect any recent degeneration.
 
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