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Japan considers refitting helicopter carrier for stealth fighters: gov't sources

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan is considering refitting the Izumo helicopter carrier so that it can land U.S. Marines F-35B stealth fighters, government sources said on Tuesday, as Tokyo faces China’s maritime expansion and North Korea’s missile and nuclear development.

Japan has not had fully fledged aircraft carriers since its World War Two defeat in 1945.

Any refit of the Izumo would be aimed at preparing for a scenario in which runways in Japan had been destroyed by missile attacks, and at bolstering defence around Japan’s southwestern islands, where China’s maritime activity has increased.

Three government sources close to the matter said the Japanese government was keeping in sight the possible future procurement of F-35B fighter jets, which can take off and land vertically, as it looks into the remodelling of the Izumo.

The 248-metre (814-feet) Izumo, Japan’s largest warship equipped with a flat flight deck, was designed with an eye to hosting F-35B fighters. Its elevator connecting the deck with the hangar can carry the aircraft, the sources said...... to read more
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... Asked about the reports at a media conference on Tuesday, Japanese defense minister Itsunori Onodera repeatedly denied any plans to modify the Izumo-class to operate F-35Bs, only going as far as saying the ministry is constantly “conducting various studies evaluating Japan’s defense capability.”

quote is from DefenseNews linked in F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread Yesterday at 7:57 PM
 
Saturday at 8:41 PM
"The Air Force also awarded a separate deal to Boeing for one KC-46 for Japan with a price tag of about $289 million." etc., but yes, the Japan-related news are intermingled with other stuff inside of the article Boeing scores big with F-15, KC-46 contracts with foreign militaries
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Japan KC-46 acquisition moves forward
26 December, 2017
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The US Air Force has awarded Boeing a $279 million contract to produce Japan's first KC-46 tanker aircraft.

The contract is a key step in Tokyo's development of a new tanker capability. The decision to obtain three KC-46s in the 2020 time frame was originally announced in 2015.

The type will add to Japan's existing fleet of four KC-767J tankers. The KC-46 deal is being conducted under the auspices of the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme.

“This milestone order highlights a valued partnership with Japan that spans more than six decades, and we look forward to continuing that collaboration on the KC-46 program,” says Brett Gerry, president of Boeing Japan.

“The skilled Japanese KC-767 tanker and E-767 Airborne Warning and Control Systems pilots and maintenance personnel are already familiar with flying and supporting our highly efficient aircraft, and we look forward to helping them expand their capabilities in the future.”
 

s002wjh

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I'm curious how China response if Japan were to purchase F35B for its heli carrier?

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Japan, once a world leader in aircraft carriers, is preparing to wade back into the world of fixed wing aviation. The Pacific country, which swore off flat-tops in the aftermath of World War II, is preparing to reverse decades of government policy and add fighter planes to so-called “helicopter destroyers" to counter Chinese air power.

At the time of the attack on Pearl Harbor in December 1941, Japan was an aircraft carrier superpower. Japan had more carriers than any other country, including the United States, and its pilots were trained to a high standard by years of war. A little more than four years later, all but one of Japan’s carriers were on the bottom of the ocean, and most of the pilots had been killed in battle.

Japan, which reinvented itself under American control as a pacifist country, swore off “offensive” weapons of war such as marines, bombers, and aircraft carriers. Despite this, for decades Japan’s navy, the Maritime Self Defense Force, quietly plotted a return to naval aviation. Over the years it has gradually built ships with increased aviation duties in mind, from
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Japan’s latest aviation ships, the
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are aircraft carriers in all but name. Izumo and her sister ship Kaga resemble miniature carriers, with an island, full-length 814 foot long flight deck, a spacious hangar, and elevators that shuttle aircraft between the flight deck and the island. At 27,000 tons, the ships are roughly a third the size of the U.S. Navy’s Ford-class supercarriers.

Izumo and Kaga were built to embark with up to 14
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and V-22 Osprey tiltrotor transports, sweeping neighboring waters of enemy submarines or acting as lily pads for marines flying Ospreys to distant islands in the Japanese archipelago. Although both ships could theoretically accommodate the vertical takeoff and landing version of the Joint Strike Fighter, the F-35B, it was thought that modifying the ships for the stealth fighter was politically risky and too expensive.

However, according to Japan’s Kyodo news service, the
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a plan to purchase F-35B fighters and convert Izumo into a full-fledged aircraft carrier. Tokyo already plans to purchase 42 F-35As, the version of the jet that equips the U.S. Air Force, and could either change its order to include some F-35Bs or simply order more jets.
If the Japanese government goes through with the proposal, the Izumo carriers will need to head back to the shipyard at Yokohama for major design changes. The flight deck will need a
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to withstand the extreme heat of the F-35B's exhaust during takeoff and landing. The bow-mounted Phalanx close-in weapon system, designed to destroy incoming missiles, will probably have to be removed as it is a hazard to larger aircraft.

Down below, the Izumo will need to set aside room in the hangar for more aviation fuel and jet-launched weapons such as the
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AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles, and JDAM satellite-guided bombs. Izumo will also need to install a
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, or ALIS for short, that coordinates repairs and spare parts for the F-35 fleet worldwide. Setting aside all of that space will result in a smaller hangar.

The conversion process from “helicopter destroyer” to aircraft carrier is an expensive proposition. Izumo could probably carry about ten F-35Bs at a time, and a dozen aircraft to include spares would cost about $1.4 billion. Converting the ship itself could cost another half a billion dollars, and the entire process could cost approximately 5 percent of Japan’s annual defense budget. It looks likely that Tokyo will convert both Izumo and Kaga, with a total overall cost of about $4 billion. That’s a lot of money just to put 20 fighter planes to sea, and a tough pill to swallow for a country that spends just over 1 percent of its GDP on defense and is mired in public debt.
From Japan’s perspective, however, it has little choice. Japan is particularly nervous about the increasing number of Chinese military flights at the southern end of the Japanese island chain, closer to Taiwan than Tokyo, where Chinese Air Force fighters and bombers have repeatedly flown past the Japanese islands. There’s also the matter of the Japanese-held Senkaku islands, claimed by China as the Diaoyu islands, in the nearby East China Sea.

While China has several major air bases within range of both regions, Japan has a single air base on the island of Okinawa that also doubles as a regional civilian airport. Naha Air Base,
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, bears the brunt of responsibility responding to Chinese air incursions. In wartime, the airfield would likely be pounded flat by Chinese ballistic missiles, leaving the southernmost part of Japan without air power. Adding an aircraft carrier would allow Japan to station a floating airfield wherever it wanted, boosting regional defenses.

But what about Japan’s prohibition on aircraft carriers? Legally, the prohibition is actually against “attack aircraft carriers” meant to project offensive air power against another country. The Izumo class armed with F-35Bs would technically be “defensive” aircraft carriers meant to protect Japanese airspace.
 

SinoSoldier

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Put two FC-31 squadrons on the Type 003 and retrofit the 002's airwing with them once they're mature. Even that might not be sufficient given that the ROK Navy is also considering purchasing F-35Bs for its Dokdo-class vessels.
 

Jeff Head

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And when you add one and one together,,,,
I believe this is going to happen.

it is only a matter of when.

with the V-22 a definite yes, and with the Chinese carrier buildup, the JMSDF is going to have to have something to counter with.

An Izumo with 12 F-35B would be a good start.

Four newer carriers carrying up to 2- F-35Bs would be better.
 

Jeff Head

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Put two FC-31 squadrons on the Type 003 and retrofit the 002's airwing with them once they're mature. Even that might not be sufficient given that the ROK Navy is also considering purchasing F-35Bs for its Dokdo-class vessels.
I still do not believe that the Chinese military is interested in the FC-31...but you never know what time might bring.

The thing is, Japan has mulled over a dedicated fixed wing carrier a little larger than the Izumo, perhaps wth a ski-jump, that could hold up to 20 F-35Bs.

If they built four of those, and then you add the two Dokdos, and if the Australians ever go to the F-35Bs for their LHDs, and then you add the US ccarriers and the capability of each Wasp class to carry 12-15 F-35Bs and the America class to carry up to 15 -20 F-35Bs, all of that together makes for a very difficult mountain for china to climb.

But China does not need to have more carriers than everyone else...they simply need to have a credible threat...and with the 6 carriers I believe that they will ultimately have, that they will succeed in maintaining that very credible threat so that no one believes that they can (on either side) do whatever they want without a real risk of losing significant vessels in any serious exchange.
 
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I believe this is going to happen.

it is only a matter of when.

with the V-22 a definite yes, and with the Chinese carrier buildup, the JMSDF is going to have to have something to counter with.

An Izumo with 12 F-35B would be a good start.

Four newer carriers carrying up to 2- F-35Bs would be better.
Its gonna be a poor man's version of a carrier fleet though. IMHO. Frankly if Japan was serious about it, it should have put at least a ski jump ramp on the Izumo.
Right now what Japan has is basically a glorified WW2 carrier. The only saving grace is that China has yet to acquire catapult carriers in significant numbers. Once that happens, the power dynamics in the region would greatly change.
 
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