Chinese UAV/UCAV development

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So, lets get back to business shall we,,, ignore or report offending posts to the MODs, Deino, Siege, and Jeff Head are doing their best, but for the rest of us, lets please try to help them,,,,

there are lots of forums, but most of us landed here for a reason,, lets restore SDF's decorum and honor to its former glory,,, you are ALL bright and intelligent MEN!

I have NEVER blocked another members post, I read as many of them as I can, and please, try to keep your posts and your links accurate, and to the point, and many thanks for each of you who have held SDF to a higher standard.
Ok guys lets get back to ...
there is a thing:
Moderation has been inactive lately (anyway, from what I figured, Moderators are unable to suspend using a time lock), so it's completely up to us how we interact, and we should not let some individuals to turn the SDF into a fight club (it's just several persons who wouldn't stop bickering);

what we should do is to ignore stuff/posters we dislike, and keep posting plus debating with members who react normally; we should let be those few who log on here to fight, don't even tell them to stop, nothing

(in the past it was basically the opposite, as Moderators would be alerted by negative reactions)

thanks for listening
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The way I remember it the reply was to B787, not to anyone else, and no mention was made of his family or wives. The second mention of this matter was more of a reference to it , lamenting at the way he would go off-tangent to the topic, like talking about his personal life.
I think y'all are referring to my comment. Why? Conversation went like this:

B787: Surface A is larger than Surface B (even though they are different shapes and similar dimensions).
Vesicles: Not to me. Could you show your numbers for surface area? I need some calculations.
B787: It just is, by eyeballing.
Vesicles: That's meaningless; need numbers.
Went on for X rounds until:
B787: Ah, you need numbers? But it is easier to get numbers of women, no? Did you get numbers? haha I have got many. I had 5 marriages and 16 children, so you know I can get numbers ;)
Me: Are you out of your f-ing mind?

When he stops using his family to derail arguments that he's lost, we can all stop mentioning them.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
Of course !
For Attack ISIS
other is unable to undestand so biased...

To be honest, my initial interpretation was also that you were blaming the Chinese for selling their UAV’s to the bad guys. It took a little back and forth for me to guess what you actually meant.

I don’t think it’s entirely bias. You got to appreciate the fact that many of our fellow members are non-native English speakers like you. The chance of misunderstanding each other gets astronomically high when your writing style is so convoluted.

I’m not blaming you for the lack of English writing skill. But at the same time, you also cannot blame others for misunderstanding you. This is a two-way street. Even more, It’s usually the speaker who bears the responsibility for making sure that his message is clear.

I’ve said this many times. As a researcher, writing is a big part of my job, like papers and grant applications. Many times, reviewers misunderstand or completely miss what I write. At the beginning, I used to blame them for not reading it carefully. Sometimes, I would even flat out say these reviewers are simply stupid. It’s such a simple concept that I am trying to convey. How can they miss it? So stupid!!! My mentors always told me: “NO! You are the one who should change and improve your writing.” “Don’t forget, you are the one who bears the responsibility for clearly conveying your own messages!” I would not understand this until I started reviewing manuscripts and grant applications. The pure frustrations of confusing sentences and messages...

Just like meeting a person for the first time, writing is also all about the first impression. As soon as I see a confusing sentence and I get confused, it would be difficult for me to be fair. That’s human nature.

NIH has an estimate. About 30% of all grant applications get rejected because of poor writing. It's not that the reviewers reject an application on the ground of poor writing. But because they simply won't understand your message. How can you expect them to give you millions of $$$ when they don't even understand what you want to do? As soon as you confuse people, they will be less likely to be willing to spend time on your writing. That means they will simply give up trying to understand and begin to interpret your writing in the ways that they like. Is it fair? No! But that’s human nature. You can’t blame human nature.

If you insist on maintaining the current style of writing, which is fine with me, you need to prepare yourself for more misunderstandings. It may be bias, but it’s a bias that you created.

My suggestion to you would be to stick to facts and discussions about the PLA. Don’t make jokes, especially sarcastic jokes. These jokes are difficult to interpret even among those with the best language skills. It depends on the time of the day and the mood of the readers.

We have been adviced by our HR not to including jokes, especially sarcastic jokes, in our emails and text messages. More often than not, these jokes are misunderstood and cause huge issues among colleagues. If you cannot convey your messages clearly, the chances of misunderstanding gets astronomically high.

Again, I understand your frustration as well. I would also like to call on other fellow members of the SDF to understand FORBIN. As I said above, I used to be in his shoes. I used to blame the reviewers for having bias against me and for being stupid. I've said these exact words myself. So I know the feeling. It's also human nature. I am hoping that, like me, you all can calm down and have more understanding for each other. Again, this is a two-way street.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Not only that English language is full of nuances and homonym that even native speaker need to choose carefully let alone non native speaker like us
It was said English is the perfect diplomatic languages because you can interpret it which way

So be careful when you choose your word lest it be interpret falsely
Another thing there is kind of hierarchy in English language. The choice of word can some time reveal who the speaker is

It is not so with other languages eg German they use the same word for educated or non educated German to express themselves. In the way it is more democratic
Of course German has their own peculiarity like confusing prefix, sub prefix and the verb is at the end of the sentence. Make it more difficult to grasp the meaning of the sentence specially when it concern technical stuff

But because of strict grammar and structure I though German is more precise language
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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My suggestion to you would be to stick to facts and discussions about the PLA. Don’t make jokes, especially sarcastic jokes. These jokes are difficult to interpret even among those with the best language skills. It depends on the time of the day and the mood of the readers.

It depends on the time of the day and the mood of the readers

Look here no problem and curiously here problem !
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/us-military-news-reports-data-etc.t1547/page-871#post-483444

For the mood seems here many have problems and difficult waouw !!! cool remains cool

PS it is not real life semi real or virtual there are things much more grave by ex Jeff...i find you and others extremely sensitive for this microscopic things

Look here much more grave what you think normal ? and not the first time a Western country is attacked here and i don't remeber a Western member do vs China...

Maybe some G7 members should be taught a lesson. Not few of them still think it is either the 1840s or 1900s and their Eight Nation Alliance can simply sail up the Yangtze to burn, loot Chinese cities and massacre Chinese people for fun.

Would be especially nice to start with single unsupported Frigates like above. That arrogance should meet its well deserved punishment. And when the Frogs run crying to America and think that Article 5 is in order, China and Russia should hold an even larger wargame in the Med and the Baltics, as well as ample support for certain european separatists
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinas-scs-strategy-thread.t3118/page-489#post-480902

So i want well undestand your language problems but there are thing much more grave and the problem is there and intentional, unacceptable and in more vicious coz by ex here one lauch the bashing look some post before...
Other main problem MODERATION !

And if Popeye left it is really very signicative...

I respect the topics and i posted for it here PLEASE
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/sd-forum-suggestions-and-questions.t2846/page-36#post-484018

Don't do mind vesicle i know your correct but...
 
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vesicles

Colonel
PS it is not real life semi real or virtual there are things much more grave by ex Jeff...i find you and others extremely sensitive for this microscopic things

Not sure how I got caught in all of this... When was I sensitive to microscopic things?

If you mean I am sensitive to mammalian cells, then I am guilty as charged. I am not only sensitive, but addicted to microscopic things like human cells...
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Not sure how I got caught in all of this... When was I sensitive to microscopic things?

If you mean I am sensitive to mammalian cells, then I am guilty as charged. I am not only sensitive, but addicted to microscopic things like human cells...
Not only for you i have yet say please don't do it

But i have see again more worse but a true shame one again do politic ( always same things ... ) just after a post for 44 Argentinian submariners and the guys don't say even a word or eventualy at less a like ( he quote can't overlook .. ) it is unimaginable !

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/ce...s-reports-data-etc.t6627/page-177#post-483508
 
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vesicles

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Not only for you i have yet say please don't do it

But i have see again more worse but a true shame one again do politic ( always same things ... ) just after a post for 44 Argentinian submariners and the guys don't say even a word or eventualy at less a like ( he quote can't overlook .. ) it is unimaginable !

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/ce...s-reports-data-etc.t6627/page-177#post-483508

I have never visited the thread and had no idea the news was posted there.

Additionally, I myself do not comment on accidents, Chinese or others, military or civilian. I feel that making comments or giving "likes" on such tragedies is disrespectful to those involved in the accident. So I never directly comment on accidents. If you feel like it, you can search my post history. I never give likes and never comment directly on the accident. I especially don't like the idea of giving a "like" to a report about an accident. What does it mean? You like the accident? You like to read about a report of an accident? It's a sick thing to do, in my weird opinion...

With that being said, I understand that this is my own weird philosophy. I don't ever hold others to the same weirdness... I am perfectly fine with others making comments and show condolences. And I understand that others show their condolences by giving "likes". I just can't do it myself... Again, this is more about my own weirdness.
 

FORBIN

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I have never visited the thread and had no idea the news was posted there.

Additionally, I myself do not comment on accidents, Chinese or others, military or civilian. I feel that making comments or giving "likes" on such tragedies is disrespectful to those involved in the accident. So I never directly comment on accidents. If you feel like it, you can search my post history. I never give likes and never comment directly on the accident. I especially don't like the idea of giving a "like" to a report about an accident. What does it mean? You like the accident? You like to read about a report of an accident? It's a sick thing to do, in my weird opinion...

With that being said, I understand that this is my own weird philosophy. I don't ever hold others to the same weirdness... I am perfectly fine with others making comments and show condolences. And I understand that others show their condolences by giving "likes". I just can't do it myself... Again, this is more about my own weirdness.
I know your good behavior but for sensitive members ... we joke regurlalry on LCS topic ( the boat is not fortress ... ) proof i don't critic only Chinese weapons ... and they get wrong it is obvious and US members which prefer USA ( i precise important ) never cause a problem they undestand in fact are able to understand all the difference with others so it is possible joke fortunately !
i have severals links eventualy.
 
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