China's strategy in Korean peninsula

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The fact is if the US is so confident in its missile defense technology why bother with North Korea with only a handful of nukes? The reason why they're alarmed because the chances of a successful intercept in a real war situation aren't good enough to allay any fear. Do you think Japan and South Korea have more confidence when the distance from their nuclear adversaries is right next door unlike the US on the other side of the world. Add to that how they believe China and North Korea will be the only ones that will use nuclear weapons first... The more developed and integrated a country is, the more vulnerable to damage beyond what just a nuclear explosion can do. One city being destroyed can cause a tsunami through the rest of the country. Where I live they just had massive wild fires engulfing entire rural towns. Some of the estimates on damage were said to be in the hundreds of billions of dollars. A couple decades ago there was the Oakland Hills fire. That was only a few square miles of homes destroyed and the costs of damage were around the same. A major city being destroyed... That's going be in the trillions of dollars not including the ripple effects. Then they don't think about how China and North Korea will just build more nuclear weapons in response. And I bet they're arrogant enough to believe China and North Korea just can't do that because they say so. Look at how the US taunted Prompted Global Strike. They made it out that the US would be able to terrorize the world into submission and they were loving it. Yeah that's if you believe no one would do anything about it. Now you have a hypersonic tech race where the US fears Chinese developments to the point of talk of a hypersonic weapons ban. There would be no such fear if you didn't taunt it in the first place thinking the world couldn't counter.

Trump is the one blowing up tensions just to be lauded by his political base. If Japan and South Korea are blind lemmings to the US, then they should go fall off the cliff. It is a bluff on part of the US. It's a tremendously irresponsible bluff that could blow back in many different ways including starting a war and South Korea will suffer the most and the consolation prize that North Korea loses a war will be meaningless and China should takeover North Korea as punishment. So-called responsible nations don't follow blindly an egomaniac that thinks only of his own self-aggrandizement.

Like I said before, everything they demand of China is the same exact things they demanded before North Korean nukes were a factor. Nukes are just the latest excuse. Unless Japan and South Korea are going to immediately use their nukes, they're worthless just having them. Do you see Japan and South Korea holding hands anytime soon? Do you think the US can herd a bunch of cats in one direction? Advocating Japan and South Korea have nukes is just going to be a huge headache on the US when they both bicker against one another. The US will have to favor one and the other will be another nuclear power not under the US's control. And the US forgets other countries can counter. They want to punish China for not obeying to the point of isolation. China will then be able to transfer nuclear weapons technology to the US's enemies around the world. What are they going to do? Isolate China?

China should have no fear of Japan and South Korea going nuclear because the US will be the one that suffers the consequences the most in the end.
South Korea has a much easier way to go than to develop nukes, although still difficult: It can declare itself independent and expel US forces. That would remove the threat of war and open the way to negotiate reunification.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
South Korea has a much easier way to go than to develop nukes, although still difficult: It can declare itself independent and expel US forces. That would remove the threat of war and open the way to negotiate reunification.

Yes that's why they just seem to be blind lemmings. The China critics always point out how China is not a good citizen to the world. When is South Korea going to step up? Trump has already used as a campaign issue why are US troops there? There's their open door. South Korea is already feeling the pressure from the US over its free trade agreement. Why not get the US to exit out of South Korea and relieve that burden? It's because we know it's all a bunch of bull. The US wants to be there because that's power and influence in the region. They just don't want to have to pay for it. South Korea needs the US to hide behind and let the US take the hit for a bad foreign policy and they'd rather be an American subordinate than Japan's or China's. South Korea cannot survive on its own if they want to carry on their nationalistic beliefs. So they would rather have these tensions than to be a "good citizen of the world" and maybe win themselves a Nobel Peace Prize.
 
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South Korea, China Move to Resolve Disputes and Hold Summit
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South Korea and China will push to normalize their ties badly strained over the deployment of a contentious U.S. missile defense system in the South, both countries announced Tuesday, with Seoul saying their leaders are set to hold summit talks next week.

South Korea allowed the United States to install the
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on its soil this year, triggering angry rhetoric and economic retaliation from China which views THAAD's powerful radar as a threat to its own security. South Korea and the United States have repeatedly said the system is only aimed at defending against North Korea's advancing nuclear threats, rather than peering into Chinese territory.

On Tuesday, Seoul's Foreign Ministry said there was recently diplomatic communication between the two countries, during which they agreed to put bilateral exchange and cooperation back on a normal track soon and boost cooperation for a peaceful, diplomatic resolution of the North Korean nuclear issue.

The ministry statement said Beijing reaffirmed its opposition to THAAD and asked South Korea to handle "relevant issues appropriately" while South Korea reiterated the system doesn't target China. It said military officials of the two countries will discuss Chinese worries about the THAAD system.

Seoul's presidential office announced separately that President Moon Jae-in and Chinese President Xi Jinping will hold summit talks next week on the sidelines of an annual regional forum in Vietnam. It would be their second one-on-one meeting since Moon's inauguration in May.

China's Foreign Ministry in its own statement did not mention a summit. In that statement, Beijing repeated its objection to the anti-missile system but it indicated an interest in improving ties. It said both sides attached great importance to their relationship and were willing to push forward on developing a cooperative partnership.

Lu Chao, a Korea expert at Liaoning Social Sciences Academy, said the Xi-Moon summit could set the stage for more high-level talks, including by military officials.

Tuesday's announcements by the two countries came after Xi consolidated his already considerable power at a twice-a-decade Communist Party congress that concluded last week.

Efforts have been recently made to improve ties, with neither country expected to gain much from a protracted standoff over the THAAD issue.

Many analysts say China appeared to have used its THAAD opposition to bolster its regional clout but that such a stance could push South Korea closer to the United States and Japan for a potential anti-Beijing trilateral alliance.

In South Korea, there have been growing worries about frosty ties with China, which is its largest trading partner and some South Koreans say might one day replace the United States as the world's sole superpower. In retaliation for the THAAD deployment, Beijing suspended visits to South Korea by Chinese tour groups and trips to China by South Korean entertainers. South Korean retail and auto businesses in China suffered anti-South Korea sentiments.

The countries' top envoys to stalled regional talks on North Korea's nuclear program were to meet in Beijing on Tuesday. Earlier this month, South Korean and Chinese officials agreed to extend their currency swap deal. In August, Xi said he was willing to work with Moon on addressing differences between the two countries.

China is North Korea's main trading partner and last major diplomatic ally, making its cooperation crucial to the success of international sanctions on the North's weapons programs. The North was slapped with new, tough U.N. sanctions after it conducted its sixth and most powerful nuclear test in September.
 
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Commentary: Time for China, S.Korea to move toward future-oriented ties
Xinhua| 2017-11-01 14:30:57
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As China and
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decided on Tuesday to bring bilateral relations back on the normal track, both countries are faced with a chance to restore their ties strained over the installation of a U.S. missile shield system and work for a better future.

The detente came amid a standoff between China and South Korea that had lasted more than a year since Washington and Seoul announced their decision to deploy the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in South Korea in July 2016.

However, China and South Korea, the two key players in Southeast Asia, could have built more synergy in handling thorny issues confronting the region and the world and in building common peace and prosperity.

China attaches importance to its relations with South Korea and their booming ties over the past few years have brought tangible benefits to the two peoples.

Since the establishment of their diplomatic relations 25 years ago, the two neighbors have witnessed rapid advancement in bilateral cooperation, especially in the field of economy and trade.

The number of Chinese tourists visiting South Korea hit a record high in early 2016 and people-to-people exchanges continued to flourish, getting the two peoples to better understand each other.

Although some analysts remain prudent about whether the frosty ties between China and South Korea would thaw straight away, both governments have showed strong political resolve to properly handle the THAAD issue and further develop strategic partnership.

South Korean Foreign Minister Kang Kyung-hwa told lawmakers on Monday that there has been no change in Seoul's stance that it will not participate in the U.S.-led missile defense system, adding that South Korea is making efforts to build its own system -- the Korean Air and Missile Defense (KAMD).

Kang stressed that Seoul would not seek additional THAAD deployment and that security cooperation between South Korea, the
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would not develop into a trilateral military alliance.

Nam Gwan-pyo, a security official from the Blue House, also confirmed Tuesday that South Korean President Moon Jae-in would meet with Chinese President
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on the sidelines of the upcoming meeting of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (
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) economies in Vietnam.

"This summit can be seen as the first step to implement the agreement aimed to swiftly put bilateral ties back on the right track," Nam noted.

Indeed, as long as China and South Korea respect and give full consideration to each other's concerns and interests, the two big economies in Asia would have huge potential to jointly cope with a wider variety of global issues.

What's past is past, but it is where one could learn a lesson. Now it's high time for the two Asian neighbors to honor their agreement, prevent the recurrence of similar scenarios and keep bilateral ties on track.
 

taxiya

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Xinhua commentary:
South Korean Foreign Minister Kang Kyung-hwa told lawmakers on Monday that there has been no change in Seoul's stance that it will not participate in the U.S.-led missile defense system, adding that South Korea is making efforts to build its own system -- the Korean Air and Missile Defense (KAMD).

Since this is reflected by SK report as well, I believe this is the common understanding reached recently between China and SK. Also according to SK report, SK and China is to mend the dispute of THAAD through military channels.

My questions and interests are therefore following:
  1. How is the "SK not part of US missile defense system" being guaranteed and verifiable? That the future KAMD or present THAAD are not communicating with U.S.?
  2. To be through military channels between PLA and SK armed force? PLA officers sitting in the THAAD operation room looking at the same screen, reading the radar images?
  3. There was such channel already, the hotline between two militaries (suspended now). The new issue here concerning THAAD would be something like point 2 above. That means a mere telephone line is not enough. Personnel presents.
  4. KAMD is relatively easy subject, China is probably willing to help out if asked. Even better, if SK fulfills Chinese concerns, China may be willing to share certain radar readings concerning SK.
 
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Xi, Trump reiterate commitment to denuclearization on Korean Peninsula
Xinhua| 2017-11-09 16:26:00
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Chinese President Xi Jinping said Thursday he and his U.S. counterpart Donald Trump have reiterated firm commitment to achieving denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula and solving the nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiation.

Xi made the remarks when meeting with the press alongside Trump after their talks at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing.

"On the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue, we have reiterated firm commitment to achieving denuclearization on the peninsula and maintaining the international nuclear non-proliferation regime," Xi said.

"The two sides will continue to fully and strictly implement UN Security Council resolutions and stay committed to solving the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiation," he told reporters.

The two sides are also willing to work with various parties concerned to explore ways of realizing lasting peace and order in Northeast Asia and will continue to maintain communication and cooperation on the issue, the president said.

During their talks earlier Thursday, the two presidents stressed that the two countries have common goals in eventually solving the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiation, and reiterated the commitment to promoting peace, stability and prosperity in the Asia Pacific region.

Trump said during the talks that the United States hopes to work with China to push for denuclearization on the Korean Peninsula.

The U.S. side highly values China's important role in the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue, Trump said.

The U.S. president arrived in Beijing on Wednesday for a three-day state visit.
 

taxiya

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Xi, Trump reiterate commitment to denuclearization on Korean Peninsula
Xinhua| 2017-11-09 16:26:00
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Lasting peace and Denuclearization are the two key words. By now, China's stance is crystal clear and there is no room for any interpretation in favor of any sides. There is nothing else can be more official than Xinhua.

To the pro-Kim camp: there is no way to expect China to back him unconditionally. The blood bound will be gone (if it has not gone already) if Kim insist going nuclear.

To the pro-South camp: don't wish China to sit idle when the 38 line is breached by SK or US. And forget about a SK lead unification.
 
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China maintains 'suspension for suspension' most reasonable solution for DPRK crisis
Updated 2017-11-16 18:47 GMT+8
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China on Thursday reaffirmed that the "suspension for suspension" proposal is the most realistic and reasonable solution to defuse the Korean Peninsula crisis, after US President Donald Trump claimed that Washington and Beijing "would not accept a so-called ‘freeze for freeze’ agreement."

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said at a press briefing on Thursday that the "suspension for suspension" proposal is only a first step and not the final solution.

The "suspension for suspension” proposal would see the DPRK suspend its missile and nuclear activities in exchange for a halt to large-scale military exercises between the United States and South Korea.

"Not only can it relieve the present tense situation, it can also resolve all parties' most pressing security concerns and provide an opportunity and create conditions to resume talks and find a breakthrough point to get out of trouble,” Geng said.

"We hope all sides would take China's proposal seriously," he added.

After returning from an almost two-week tour of Asia, Trump vowed a global campaign of "maximum pressure" on the DPRK and claimed that the US and China had rejected the so-called "freeze for freeze" agreement.

"I made clear that we will not allow this twisted dictatorship to hold the world hostage to nuclear blackmail," Trump said in a televised statement.

"President Xi recognizes that a nuclear North Korea (DPRK) is a grave threat to China. And we agreed that we would not accept a so-called 'freeze for freeze' agreement like those that have consistently failed in the past," he said.

The DPRK says it needs to develop its nuclear arsenal to protect itself from threats from the US. Pyongyang sees US-South Korea military exercises as a preparation for invasion.

"China is consistent in its stance towards the DPRK issue. It is committed to the denuclearization and stability of the peninsula and solving the issue through dialogue," said Geng.

China will send the special envoy of President Xi Jinping to the DPRK on Friday.
 
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Ruling parties of China, DPRK vow to strengthen exchange, push forward ties
Xinhua| 2017-11-20 20:50:57
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The ruling parties of China and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (
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) have pledged to strengthen inter-party exchange and coordination, and push forward the development of relations between the two countries.

The pledge was made during a visit to the DPRK by Song Tao, special envoy of the Communist Party of China (CPC) General Secretary
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, on Nov. 17-20.

Song, who is also head of the CPC Central Committee's International Department, met and held talks with leaders of the Central Committee of the Workers' Party of Korea (WPK), during which he made a comprehensive notification on the main spirit and historical contribution of the 19th CPC National Congress held last month in Beijing.

The WPK congratulated the CPC on the overall success of its National Congress, and expressed wishes that under the leadership of the CPC Central Committee with Xi at the core, the Chinese people will make tremendous achievements in building a great modern socialist country with Chinese characteristics and realizing the Chinese Dream of great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.

The two sides also exchanged views on relations between the two parties and the two countries, and on the Korean Peninsula issue and other issues of common concern.

They expressed wishes to strengthen inter-party exchange and coordination and push forward the development of China-DPRK relations.

During his stay in the DPRK, Song also visited some local institutions in Pyongyang and paid homage to the martyrs of the Chinese People's Volunteer Army at a cemetery in Hoechang County, South Phyongan Province of the DPRK.

While meeting with
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n President Moon Jae-in earlier this month in Da Nang, Vietnam, Xi noted that China sincerely hopes for the best for the peninsula, and encourages South Korea to resume contact and dialogue with the DPRK and restart cooperation for reconciliation.

In his recent meeting with U.S. President Donald Trump in Beijing, Xi reiterated firm commitment to achieving denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula and solving the nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiation.

"The two sides will continue to fully and strictly implement U.N. Security Council resolutions and stay committed to solving the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue through dialogue and negotiation," Xi told reporters.

China has put forward the suspension for suspension initiative, which requires the DPRK to suspend its missile and nuclear activities in exchange for the suspension of large-scale U.S.-South Korean military drills.

It also proposed a dual track approach to denuclearization on the peninsula on the one hand and establishing a peace mechanism on the other.

All relevant parties on the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue should exercise restraint and halt actions that could aggravate tensions in the region, according to a joint statement released by China and
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after the eighth China-Russia consultation on security situation in Northeast Asia in October.
 
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Commentary: Nuclear issue on Korean Peninsula could hardly withstand any negative input
Xinhua| 2017-11-21 17:47:50
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In a move that will further weigh on the precarious situation on the Korea Peninsula, the
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on Monday relisted the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (
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) as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Pyongyang had been on the U.S. terrorism sponsor list for some two decades until 2008 when then U.S. President George W. Bush delisted it in exchange for progress in denuclearization talks.

The re-designation, coming a week after U.S. President Donald Trump's lengthy Asia tour that particularly focused on the Korean nuclear issue, reflects the U.S. intention to keep "maximum pressure" on Pyongyang to rein in its nuclear ambitions.

Following a U.S.-led naval drill in the region that unprecedentedly involved three U.S.
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s, labelling the DPRK a state sponsor of terrorism could probably qualify as a "symbolic gesture," just as U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson claimed, but it runs the risk of fanning the flames on the Korean Peninsula anyway.

It is almost common knowledge that the crux of the Korean Peninsula nuclear issue is the decades-long animosity between Pyongyang and Washington: every time the
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stages maneuvers that are seen as hostile or provocative, the DPRK would just have more reasons to seek nuclear deterrence, in defiance of UN Security Council resolutions and in disregard of international condemnation.

The rapid escalation of tensions on the Peninsula this year is largely the result of a game of chicken between the two sides, in addition to such primary factors including the DPRK's multiple missile launches and its sixth nuclear test in September, all of which were cited by Pyongyang as "victories against the U.S. imperialism."

The prospect of a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula has been pushed farther away by one after another irresponsible action or blaring rhetoric. And it is only wise to call off such negative input into the issue now and make earnest efforts to cool tensions there.

Therefore, both Washington and Pyongyang, two primary parties to the nuclear impasse, need to stop exchanging hostilities and fueling hatred, and start building up their mutual trust, a fundamental element to underpin all other subsequent moves. Otherwise, the cause for a denuclearized Korean peninsula could be even more formidable to achieve.

To help soothe the situation, China has proposed a dual-track approach, seeking to advance denuclearization and establish a peace mechanism in parallel. Beijing, in its "suspension for suspension" initiative, calls for Pyongyang to pause its missile and nuclear activities while Washington to put its joint military drills with
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on hold.

Yet ultimately, it is up to the United States and the DPRK to at least resist the urge to take any unilateral actions that may further aggravate the situation on the Korean Peninsula, for the sake of their own security and of the wider region.

Other parties to the issue should also follow the golden rule of refraining from provocation and always proceed with restraint, considering the enormous impact of any miscalculation regarding the peninsula.
 
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