Aircraft Carriers III

after what I posted 7 minutes ago
I put here the USNI News story
Northrop Grumman Drops Out of MQ-25A Stingray Competition
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Northrop Grumman will not compete to build the service’s MQ-25A Stingray aerial refueling unmanned aerial vehicle despite being the developer of the test platform that proved a UAV could take off and land from an aircraft carrier.

Company leaders announced the decision during a Wednesday earnings call.

“When we’re looking at one of these opportunities, let me be clear, our objective is not just to win. Winning is great, it feels good on the day of an announcement, but if you can’t really execute on it and deliver on it to your customer and your shareholders, then you’ve done the wrong thing,” Northrop CEO Wes Bush said during an Oct. 25 earnings call, first
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“When you’re entrusted by the U.S. or any one of our allied nations to do something in the defense arena, that’s a bond of trust that you can’t afford to break, and we really look hard at executability under the terms of [requests for proposals] that come out to make sure that we can execute.”

Bush said requirements in the request for proposal
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caused the company to drop out of the competition. Boeing, Lockheed Martin and General Atomics are still in the running for the final Stingray design award, expected by the end of Fiscal Year 2018.

Northrop has been deeply involved with the development of a fixed-wing carrier UAV and was the company behind the X-47B Unmanned Combat Air System Aircraft Carrier Demonstration (UCAS-D) the Navy used in a series of tests in 2013 to prove a UAV could take off and land from an aircraft carrier safely.

On July 10, 2013, the X-47B Salty Dog 502 successfully landed on the deck of USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77) autonomously.

“The dynamics and complexity of the demonstration is not just flying an airplane. It is operating a system autonomously in and out of the most demanding launch and recovery environment around the world,” then-Program Executive Officer for Unmanned Aviation and Strike Weapons Rear Adm. Mat Winter said at the time.
“This is not trivial.”

However, since the landing, the Navy’s vision for its first carrier UAV shifted from a sophisticated, low-observable, tail-less strike platform into a simpler flying refueling station for the carrier air wing.

While Bush wasn’t specific in his remarks, the shift in the Navy’s priorities for the first carrier UAV plays to the strengths of Northrop’s competitors. The X-47B had a cranked kite, flying wing design that made the shape naturally resistant to detection by radar at the expense of the fuel efficiency found in a wing-body-tail design, like that offered by General Atomics,
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The Navy required competitors to use the service’s existing D-704 buddy tank refueling system that currently hangs from hard points on the wings of the service’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet strike fighters.

While it’s unclear if Northrop’s intention was to use the X-47B as the basis of its Stingray design, the company has excelled in crafting flying-wing, low-observable designs such as the Air Force’s B-2 Spirit and B-21 Raider so-called stealth bombers.

In August,
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of an X-47B with D-704 buddy tanks slung under each wing. The X-47B design was built around an internal payload bay, and using external hardpoints would negate some of the effects of the naturally stealthy design.

The Navy badly wants the refueling capacity of the Stingray in the air wing as soon as possible. Currently, Super Hornets are the only tankers in the air wing and that mission accounts for 20 to 30 percent of carrier sorties, accelerating wear on the strike fighters.

“The MQ-25 will be much more efficient than the Rhino (Super Hornets), and it will give us the ability to get out there and refuel four to six airplanes at range,” Commander of U.S. Naval Air Forces Vice Adm. Michael Shoemaker
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“We will not be putting any wear and tear on Super Hornets for the tanking mission, which is good. … Right now, the focus is to make it a tanker to extend the reach of the air wing and reduce some of the fatigue life expenditure on our Super Hornets. The only tankers we have in the air wing are the Rhinos.”

The service’s basic requirements will have the Stingray deliver about 15,000 pounds of fuel 500 nautical miles from the carrier, doubling the strike range of the carrier air wing’s manned aircraft to more than 700 nautical miles.

While the Navy hasn’t given a date for the introduction into the air wing, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson wants the capability on flight decks as early as 2019, USNI News understands.

in the past I was astonished by ever changing requirements, as in Aug 21, 2016
until now I thought a tanker aircraft couldn't be a surveillance aircraft but
Navy, Industry Looking for Design ‘Sweet Spot’ for MQ-25A Stingray
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I'll leave it at that
 

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The US Navy's new aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford (CVN - 78) night training with F- 18 Super Hornet in the Atlantic Ocean.
 
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Yet i think in more for a Navy as the Royal Navy have a CV is really interesting and even almost indispensable but mainly even with budget cuts considering saying 3/4 of the cost is already paid can we consider that it is because of these 2 CVs than Ocean get retired ( planned ) eventualy the 2 Albion in more RM can lost i see up to 1000 personnals it is a shame ! ?

Eventualy answer in UK topic.
 
LOL I guess it's not too common to see an aerial view of Wake so:
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VMFA-312 Hornets flypast during heritage ceremony onboard USS Theodore Roosevelt Oct 26 off Wake Island.
 
Wednesday at 9:02 PM
Oct 9, 2017

and three next month!!
Nimitz Strike Group Exits Persian Gulf; 3 U.S. Carrier Strike Groups Now Operating in 7th Fleet
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Trump's armada: Navy assembles 3 carriers in Asia for the president’s visit
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The Navy’s rare move to simultaneously assemble three aircraft carriers in the Pacific will create a major display of American sea power at a time when President Donald Trump is planning to visit the region for the first time next week.

The three Navy carriers — accompanied by more than 20,000 sailors, hundreds of aircraft and an array of destroyers and cruisers — will all be underway in the Japan-based 7th Fleet’s area of operations.

It’s an unusual occurrence and comes at a time of rising tension with North Korea, which has repeatedly threatened the United States and continued provocative missile tests during the past several months.

The last time the Navy operated three carrier groups together was 2007, Marine Lt. Gen. Kenneth McKenzie Jr. told reporters Thursday. The West Coast-based carriers Nimitz and Theodore Roosevelt will be joined by the Japan-based carrier Ronald Reagan.

A joint exercise involving the three carriers has not been publicly announced, but Navy officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the planning is underway.

It’s expected that the carriers will meet up for a photo opportunity, the kind that has little operational significance but plenty of symbolism for both allies and adversaries in the region, according to an official with knowledge of the discussions.

The White House has announced Trump’s 12-day trip to Asia starting on Nov. 3. The commander in chief will make stops in Hawaii, Japan, South Korea, China, Vietnam and the Philippines.

One defense official said the carriers’ overlapping deployments schedules were set months before the White House finalized its plans for Trump’s visit.

“It’s certainly not something we planned to coordinate with anyone else,” said the defense official, who requested anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak on the subject.

At the time the carrier deployments were planned, the messaging was directed more towards the simmering dispute over China’s claims in the South China Sea rather than North Korea, an official said.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph Dunford was in South Korea this week, and downplayed the timing of the carriers’ arrival, saying the movement was scheduled months in advanced.

Dunford said the carriers are not “specifically targeted at North Korea.”

Yet many Navy experts say the message will be undeniable when so much air and sea power amass in a region where a U.S. president is visiting, and in the back yard of North Korea.

“No doubt a lot of observers will note the confluence, and will put two and two together,” Jan van Tol, a retired Navy skipper who commanded warships in 7th Fleet, told Navy Times.

Carrier groups overlapping in a command is not unusual, van Tol said. However, he added, “What would be interesting is if one or both of the [West Coast-based carriers] made a port visit in Japan or South Korea.

“That might well be signaling to regional actors,” van Tol said.

The Navy has a total of 10 aircraft carriers, and none of them are currently in the U.S. Central Command region, Navy officials said.

Some have expressed concern that, in a high-tension situation like the one festering between Washington and Pyongyang, slight missteps or misunderstandings could spark a conflict.

Van Tol said he doesn’t see the carriers amassing in the region while Trump visits as one of those catalysts.

“Contrary to the crazyman stereotype of Kim Jung-Un, Kim and the regime are highly rational, if deeply evil,” van Tol said.

“This backwards, poverty-ridden regime has managed to survive for many decades now, while extorting all manner of things from outsiders and continuing relentlessly towards their goal.”

Operationally, however, three carriers is a “magic number,” said Jerry Hendrix, a retired Navy captain who is now a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security think tank.

One carrier can operate 12 to 14 hours a day before it has to shut down for deck maintenance and crew rest.

Two carriers can operate for 24 hours a day, but only for six days in a row. On the seventh day, one needs to stand down for maintenance, while the other would do so on the eighth day, he said.

“But when you get to three carriers, you can get a critical reaction where you can go 24/7, 365,” Hendrix told Navy Times.

Still, Hendrix thinks the three carriers converging is more a case of “coercive diplomacy” than any preparation for a military operation.

The strike groups send a message not only to North Korea, but to China, where Trump is expected to visit next month.

“I would not be surprised if the exercises occurred in some geographic region that’s being contested to demonstrate the United States has the ability to operate on the high seas when and where it wants,” Hendrix said.

The fact that the Pentagon is signaling that the carrier exercise will happen also shows this is not preparation for an attack, he said.

“It’s very unlikely the United States would intend to start a war with our president in the region,” Hendrix said. “This is a strong signal to traditional U.S. allies and partners in the region.”
 
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