India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

[Hendrik_2000]

SH1 Wheeled self-propelled howitzer 155mm

Description
Armament
Mounted at the rear of the SH1 is the complete upper part of the 155-mm / L5 towed artillery system. It is compatible with all standard 155-mm NATO ammunition, as well as ammunition developed by NORINCO. Before opening fire, a large spade is lowered to the ground at the rear of the chassis to provide a more stable firing platform. In road position, the gun is held in a travel lock. The 155mm howitzer of SH1 can fire a full range of ammunition as Extended-Range, Full-Bore, Rocket-Assisted, High-Explosive (ERFB-RA/HE) and Extended-Range Full-Bore, Base-Bleed, High-Explosive (ERFB-BB/HE). When using the ERFB-BB/HE round, the howitzer can reach a maximum range of 53km. The howitzer can also fire the 155mm semi-active laser-guided projectile developed by NORINCO based on the Russian Instrument Design Bureau (KBP) 152mm Krasnopol projectile. The howitzer barrel is electric-operated, with an elevation from 0 - 70 degrees and a traverse of 20°. For its self-defence and anti-aicraft, the secondary armament consists of a 12.7 QJC88 anti-aircraft mm machine gun mounted to the right side on the top of the crew compartment.
Design and protection
The SH1 is equipped with an armour cabin mounted at the front of the vehicle. The cab is of welded steel armour and provides protection from small arms fire up to 7.62 mm in calibre and shell splinters.
Propulsion
The SH1 is based on a WS5252 6 × 6 cross-country truck which is designed and manufactured by Wanshan Special Vehicle Chinese Company.
Accessories
The SH1 is equipped with a computerised fire-control system, with a muzzle velocity sensor which feed the data directly to the fire-control computer. The artillery system is equipped with navigation, positioning, targeting, and communications systems, all of which adopt the modular design for easy maintenance and upgrade. The onboard communication system enables the artillery system to be connected into the C4ISR network of an artillery company or battalion for information sharing and automated command and control.

Specifications

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Armament

One 155mm howitzer and one 12.7mm machine
gun.
Country users
Pakistan, Myanmar
Designer Country
China
Accessories
Computerised fire control system, navigation system, communication systems, C4ISR network
Crew
5 soldiers
Armor
Protection against small arms firing and shell splinters.
Weight
22,500 kg
Speed
90 km/h maximum road speed
Range
600 km
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Dimensions
Length, 9.68 m; Width, 2.58 m; Height, 3.50 m

 

[AndrewS]

I've seen quite a few articles from India where they think that China has made a strategic blunder in Doklam.

But consider this.

After the standoff began, it was kept quiet for almost 2 weeks. Then it was China that initiated a public tirade against India.

That is almost 2 weeks, which is enough time China's strategists to game out all the scenarios, and plan all the moves and countermoves. We've seen them do this before in the South China Seas and East China Seas.

And yet, the strategists were very confident in making the dispute a huge public issue, rather than resolving it quietly in the background.

So what does that tell us?

It feels like Senkaku/Diaoyu again.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

The time for talking is over China is massing her army
On the Sichuan-Tibet road, Tibetan children and passers-by salute a brigade of the 77th Army Group that is heading to Tibet.

 

[taxiya]

I've seen quite a few articles from India where they think that China has made a strategic blunder in Doklam.

But consider this.

After the standoff began, it was kept quiet for almost 2 weeks. Then it was China that initiated a public tirade against India.

That is almost 2 weeks, which is enough time China's strategists to game out all the scenarios, and plan all the moves and countermoves. We've seen them do this before in the South China Seas and East China Seas.

And yet, the strategists were very confident in making the dispute a huge public issue, rather than resolving it quietly in the background.

So what does that tell us?

It feels like Senkaku/Diaoyu again.

Indeed, all plays like "you can choose when to start it, but it is finished only I say so."

 

[plawolf]

The time for talking is over China is massing her army
On the Sichuan-Tibet road, Tibetan children and passers-by salute a brigade of the 77th Army Group that is heading to Tibet.

I wouldn't say all possibility of talking is over, but China is very much gearing up for a major fight.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

I wouldn't say all possibility of talking is over, but China is very much gearing up for a major fight.

Well sofar China doesn't budge from the position of "no talking unless India withdraw"
And Modi doesn't look like he will climbed down. So it is dead lock

 

[AndrewS]

Well sofar China doesn't budge from the position of "no talking unless India withdraw"
And Modi doesn't look like he will climbed down. So it is dead lock

I disagree that it is time for China to take overt action.

Remember that whilst Modi may not climb down, he will have no choice if Bhutan publicly asks India to leave the disputed territory. Bhutan has been wanting to settle the border dispute and establish formal diplomatic relations with China for years, but has been unable to do so because of India.

So the question becomes, how does China push Bhutan to make that decision?

Yes, China is gearing up for a possible military clash with India - which must be scaring the *?*! out of Bhutan. Even though the risk of a China-India conflict over disputed Doklam is small - the consequences for Bhutan would be utterly catastrophic.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

I disagree that it is time for China to take overt action.

Remember that whilst Modi may not climb down, he will have no choice if Bhutan publicly asks India to leave the disputed territory. Bhutan has been wanting to settle the border dispute and establish formal diplomatic relations with China for years, but has been unable to do so because of India.

So the question becomes, how does China push Bhutan to make that decision?

Yes, China is gearing up for a possible military clash with India - which must be scaring the *?*! out of Bhutan. Even though the risk of a China-India conflict over disputed Doklam is small - the consequences for Bhutan would be utterly catastrophic.

India is not going to listen to Bhutan Whatever Bhutan did is irrelevant as far as India .Bhutan is just the strawmen. You need to read Clausewitz. When diplomatic effort end that is when war start! right now diplomatic effort is at impasse, It has to be resolved one way or another

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Here I quote
Clausewitz had many aphorisms, of which the most famous is "War is the continuation of politics by other means."

CCP stake their legitimacy based on twin pillar of increasing standard of living and maintaining China territorial integrity. The Kuomintang loose the civil war because the perception of not doing anything in war against Japan
Doing nothing will look bad on CCP and exhausted their credibility in front of the people and the world. In dangerous world credibility is all that matter.China enjoy long period of peace because nobody doubt about CCP commitment of maintaining territorial integrity

 

[AndrewS]

Good article just published from Singapore.

The key point is that a neutral and independent Bhutan, will be able to extract the maximum benefit for its people by playing India against China. Nepal occupies a similar position and already does this.

Bhutan caught in big neighbour stand-off
Sajjad Ashraf For The Straits Times

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India-China row over border area highlights the tiny kingdom's dilemma

While much of the world has remained engrossed in the United States-North Korea sabre-rattling, less attention has been focused on another important point of contention.

China and India - the world's two most populous nations - have been engaged in confrontational exchanges over a remote Himalayan border area for more than two months.

The Doklam plateau lies at the cross-junction of China, India and Bhutan. It is disputed by Bhutan and China. India supports Bhutan's claim, but as it lies adjacent to China's border, China has effective control of the area.

Trouble brewed when Indian troops stopped a Chinese road construction crew on June 16 from extending a road on the narrow plateau. India seemingly ordered troops into the area without a request from Bhutan.

The Chinese reportedly reacted by rushing Indian positions and smashing two bunkers at the nearby Lalten outpost.

Both sides have since sent more troops to the area, raising tensions.

India's sensitivity towards the Chinese presence in the south of the Doklam plateau is understandable.

The disputed area slopes into a narrow Indian valley and is perilously close to Siliguri Corridor, about 20km at its narrowest, that connects India's main landmass with its landlocked north-eastern states.

As the 1962 drubbing by China remains fresh in India's narrative, India fears that China could seize it in a war, cutting off 45 million Indians and an area the size of the United Kingdom.

Underlying the dispute over a small sliver of land is the deeper question of how China wants to relate to Bhutan.

Currently, Bhutan's relations are heavily tilted in India's favour, under a treaty to guide Bhutan's foreign policy.

China's interest lies in changing the status quo in their relations. India's former foreign secretary, Mr Shyam Saran, believes that the Chinese wants to weaken the Bhutan-India alliance and compel Bhutan to negotiate directly with China. Any incremental move by Bhutan towards an independent foreign policy position is a win for China.

RIVALRY OVER ROLES

The dispute and how it is resolved is symptomatic of growing competition between China and India over their regional and global roles.

The special relationship between Bhutan and India started in the wake of the Chinese occupation of Tibet during the 1950s.

As China's economic power has expanded, many in Bhutan resented India's attempts to block Bhutan's desire to establish diplomatic relations and trade with Beijing.

After decades of tilting almost exclusively south, Bhutan has begun looking north to China. Reports in the international media indicate that India's move has undermined the border negotiations and has again blocked Bhutan's way to closer economic co-operation with China.

A clearly unnerved Bhutan, a small state with little capacity to defend itself, does not want to be drawn into a row involving its two giant neighbours.

Part of the lure of better relations with China is money. In addition to the border trade, there is tourism, one of Bhutan's biggest money-spinners. Indians do not need visas to travel to Bhutan, but each Chinese must pay US$250 (S$340) a day in advance for vacation packages.

Still, for the first time last year, more visitors came from China than from any other country besides India.

Bhutan is in a bind. It is seemingly willing to negotiate the territorial dispute with China, but continues to be saddled with India's pressure to remain tough on China. And it faces a difficult choice between India's virtual control over its foreign policy and China's insistence on dealing with it independently of India.

Opinion on dealing with China independently of India is gaining ground in Bhutan.

India is wary of the risks of allowing Bhutan to have a freer hand in dealing with China. It notes that within a decade, China has entrenched itself firmly as an influential player in neighbouring Nepal and fears Bhutan could be next.

While it is important that a solution to the current impasse is found soon, China has achieved a diplomatic victory by putting pressure on Bhutan-India relations. China's proximity to Siliguri is a threat, but weaning Bhutan away from India may be a bigger political gain.

Against this backdrop, India should be concerned that next year's parliamentary elections in Bhutan will allow its citizens to vent their concerns over how far their country can continue to be branded India's protectorate. In fact, China subtly promotes this debate through its economic clout and public diplomacy.

As India does not have legal standing to engage China on Doklam, the more this stand-off drags on, the more the respective positions will harden, more likely to India's disadvantage.

Yet, unless the Chinese agree to withdraw under a mutual arrangement, India will be hard-pressed to accept the new Chinese presence further south in Doklam. Likewise, the extension of the road south will change the status quo to India's disadvantage.

Beijing might also settle for an understanding now if India acknowledges China's effective jurisdiction of the area, pending final settlement, in exchange for the restoration of the status quo as of June 16.

While tiny Bhutan is caught in a big neighbour stand-off, the only solution lies in mutual empathy and accommodation of one another's concerns and withdrawals to agreed positions. The parties will then need to muster the political will to resolve the contentious issues, shorn of external influences.

The writer is an adjunct professor at the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, National University of Singapore. He was Pakistan's High Commissioner to Singapore from 2004 to 2008.

 

[AndrewS]

India is not going to listen to Bhutan Whatever Bhutan did is irrelevant as far as India .Bhutan is just the strawmen. You need to read Clausewitz. When diplomatic effort end that is when war start! right now diplomatic effort is at impasse
Here I quote
Clausewitz had many aphorisms, of which the most famous is "War is the continuation of politics by other means."

No, there is no need to go to war.

The diplomatic effort is not at an impasse.

If Bhutan requests India forces to leave and they don't, then Chinese military forces can LEGITIMATELY remove Indian forces from Doklam.

We can see from multiple sources within Bhutan that public opinion and geopolitical reality is steadily moving Bhutan towards dealing with China DIRECTLY without having India involved.

See the Straits Times and thewire articles that have just been published.