asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
In that case conduct yourself in the manner expected from a 43 year old you sound like a juvenile
Aircraft Carriers III
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I was polite and respectful to you, but obviously you're the kind of person who doesn't like being corrected. So I'll spell it out for you..........you do not have the first clue what you're talking about!! At this point I am no longer engaging with such a rude ignorant individual.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
That is your opinion
I do not need to introduce myself on this forum
I do not need to introduce myself on this forum
F-35B have a CR ot about 800 km, C 1130 km a difference... ; AV-8B 550 km ; Hornet 700, Super-Hornet 900 as F-16 and Rafale 1400 as Typhoon CR with medium weapons load between A2A and A2G with more heavy weapons ofc and to subsonic speed, also Hi lo hi missions.
Nimitz can sustain 120 sorties a day in surge 160, + 40 for both for Ford
Jura The idiot
General
I missed the point of talking deep strike off two carriers using STOVL aircraft in the situation the RN doesn't have a quarter of bil pounds to fix Type 45 propulsion
Jul 1, 2017
can't afford for example sea-mines Apr 5, 2017
and OTH AShMs Nov 11, 2016
I mean the QEs are like Escort Carriers: no early-warning aircraft, small combat radius of F-35B with a small payload and, ehm, limited maneuverability if compared to fighter jets
I would've thought the RN, knowing its budget and manpower limitations Dec 8, 2016
Jul 1, 2017
can't afford for example sea-mines Apr 5, 2017
and OTH AShMs Nov 11, 2016
I mean the QEs are like Escort Carriers: no early-warning aircraft, small combat radius of F-35B with a small payload and, ehm, limited maneuverability if compared to fighter jets
I would've thought the RN, knowing its budget and manpower limitations Dec 8, 2016
, should've concentrated on its ability to protect the traffic and the UK interests (Cod Wars come to my mind) in the Northern Atlantic; instead, though, the RN concentrates on fanciful stuff of dubious combat value = two carriers with F-35Bs but no AShMs and no escort vessels with AShMs ... just imagine if they had entered the Persian Gulf at the time of hostilities
Let's now compare these figures on internal fuel only as some of yours are quoted with external tanks.
The F-35B has a publicly declared combat radius on internal fuel of 450 nmi (518 mi, 833 km). So lets compare it to some other fighter/attack aircraft and their publicly declared combat radius on internal fuel only.
The last British combat aircraft operated by the royal navy, the Harrier GR7/9, had a combat radius on internal fuel of 300 nmi (345 mi, 555 km). Some 33.3% less range than the F-35B.
But wait, lets compare it to the most recent "conventional" CATOBAR carrier aircraft operated by the Royal Navy, the McDonnell Douglas Phantom FG.1 (F-4 Phantom II) which had a combat radius on internal fuel of 400 nmi (460mi, 740 km). Thats still 11.1% less range than the F-35B.
Now lets compare it to the F/A-18C/D used by USN and others. This has a combat radius on internal fuel of 367 nmi (423 mi, 680 km). Thats 18.4% less range than the F-35B.
Oh but wait, thats the 'older' F-18, so lets compare it to the newer F/A-18E/F Super Hornet used by USN as the spear head of its current carrier fleets. This has a combat radius on internal fuel of 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km). Thats 13.3% less range than the F-35B.
How about NATO's favorite and most widely used, the F-16C Block 50? Well this has a combat radius on internal fuel of just 295 nmi (340 mi, 546 km). Thats 34.4% less range than the F-35B. Probably why they almost always use external fuel tanks.
So the F-35B has a longer range than the most recent combat aircraft operated by the royal navy as well as the last "conventional" CATOBAR aircraft operated by the Royal Navy. It has a longer range on internal fuel than the F/A-18C/D, the newer F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and the ubiquitous F-16. Yet these facts never seem to matter to its critics, after all the critics just 'know' that a STOVL aircraft cant match a "conventional" aircraft. Well the critics are half right at least, as in the case of these aircraft, its no match at all.
Sorry no figures for the Rafale I'm afraid.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Total fabrication
Range without payload means nothing
Range without payload means nothing
Firstly and i have search, know it is impossible have a exact CR or range depends mission altitute, speed, weapons load etc... i think possible to be accurate to about 10 %
Impossible more big... initialy Super Hornet was planned for have a CR superior of 30 % than Hornet finaly about 20 % remains short for a heavy fighter he get affordable, good aesa radar, weapons load, powerful yes but range is her weakness as a F-16 more small
And same for Hornet also more big than F-16 is also inferior for range curious exact reason ? the A-7 the F-18 have replaced les powerful versatile mainly but has a better range 1150 km
A-6 was excellent 1400 km ! and F-14 big with AAMs less heavy 1230 km a range clearly better than actual CAW aircrafts and F-35C provide and advantage for it with a 1130 km CR.
With CFT Super Hornet can have a Cr superior of IIRC 200+ km, so 1100 as F-35C decent.
In more F-18 all thy are also not very good dancers for turn rate and climb rate, F-15 and F-16 are superior why, navalized ? maybe Mr Brat can tell us somethings
Excellent publication !!!
Retreat from Range: The Rise and Fall of Carrier Aviation
Impossible more big... initialy Super Hornet was planned for have a CR superior of 30 % than Hornet finaly about 20 % remains short for a heavy fighter he get affordable, good aesa radar, weapons load, powerful yes but range is her weakness as a F-16 more small
And same for Hornet also more big than F-16 is also inferior for range curious exact reason ? the A-7 the F-18 have replaced les powerful versatile mainly but has a better range 1150 km
A-6 was excellent 1400 km ! and F-14 big with AAMs less heavy 1230 km a range clearly better than actual CAW aircrafts and F-35C provide and advantage for it with a 1130 km CR.
With CFT Super Hornet can have a Cr superior of IIRC 200+ km, so 1100 as F-35C decent.
In more F-18 all thy are also not very good dancers for turn rate and climb rate, F-15 and F-16 are superior why, navalized ? maybe Mr Brat can tell us somethings
Excellent publication !!!
Retreat from Range: The Rise and Fall of Carrier Aviation
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