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[Blackstone]

Why is that so many western readers and religious institutions always thinks so negatively about China whenever something like this happens? Why is it a CPC problem? Like the US and religious institutions doesn't have a public morality problems of their own? I smell desperation here.

The article has nothing to do with the West, and everything to do with a classic problem humans have always faced: what happens after you're no longer hungry, your children are educated, and you still have expendable income in your hand? History tells us people look to "meaning of life" issues, and the rising Chinese middle class proved to be no different. It's a good thing, frankly.

Since you brought up the topic of desperation, I have to say I agree with you for a change in that the CPC does seem to be a bit desperate as their extraordinary 2014 statement proves. Try and keep in mind it isn't the West making the specific statement but your beloved Communist Party of China.

"A 2014 state media poll found that Chinese thought "lacking faith and ethics" was the No. 1 social problem, followed by "being a bystander or being selfish."

 

[Equation]

The article has nothing to do with the West, and everything to do with a classic problem humans have always faced: what happens after you're no longer hungry, your children are educated, and you still have expendable income in your hand? History tells us people look to "meaning of life" issues, and the rising Chinese middle class proved to be no different. It's a good thing, frankly.

Since you brought up the topic of desperation, I have to say I agree with you for a change in that the CPC does seem to be a bit desperate as their extraordinary 2014 statement proves. Try and keep in mind it isn't the West making the specific statement but your beloved Communist Party of China.

But it is the West that spins that statement as a desperation drive to prove that the CPC has no control over it therefore the people will rebel and rise up against communism. C'mon you've seen the usual shrill in this movie before. I can't believe you are still naive about it? It's like the US doesn't have any moral problems of their own. Is the gun violence, drug problems, racial problems, economic problems, suicide problems,etc...etc... that bad that the fake free press has to provide some kind of distraction to keep the masses under control? How come the church or religious institution don't even tackle these problems effectively?

 

[PanAsian]

Very sad situation, I hope China finds a way out of its poor public morality problems. This sentence is especially noteworthy:

"A 2014 state media poll found that Chinese thought "lacking faith and ethics" was the No. 1 social problem, followed by "being a bystander or being selfish."

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I was at a friend's party and a few current and former cops were there. They were talking about the job and one of them mentioned how there was a hit and run in a neighborhood. The guy was still alive but no one called the police. The guy was only discovered when a police car on patrol drove by and found the body in the street. The guy had already died by then. It was reported later that kids in the neighborhood came up to the guy who was dying and played with his body and poked sticks at him.

The world over many aspects of modernization including increasing individual wealth, the embrace of corporate and consumer culture, individualism, urbanization, etc result in systemic problems rooted in the breakdown of social relationships, leading to poor civic mindedness, morality, etc.

In China's case just as they were overdue in removing the one child policy, they are also overdue in re-invigorating local philosophies, religions, social traditions, and civil society in support of improved social relationships, civic mindedness, and morality.

 

[azesus]

That's because in China sometimes being a good Samaritan end up got sued by the person they help or their family when sometimes something goes slightly wrong during the act of helping

 

[Blackstone]

That's because in China sometimes being a good Samaritan end up got sued by the person they help or their family when sometimes something goes slightly wrong during the act of helping

If your reasoning is fear of being sued is why PRC bystanders refuse to help accident victims, then what's your explanation for the driver who ran over the woman a second time? No fear of being sued?

 

[Blackstone]

But it is the West that spins that statement as a desperation drive to prove that the CPC has no control over it therefore the people will rebel and rise up against communism. C'mon you've seen the usual shrill in this movie before. I can't believe you are still naive about it? It's like the US doesn't have any moral problems of their own. Is the gun violence, drug problems, racial problems, economic problems, suicide problems,etc...etc... that bad that the fake free press has to provide some kind of distraction to keep the masses under control? How come the church or religious institution don't even tackle these problems effectively?

Explain how "the West" caused a Chinese taxi driver in the People's Republic to 1) run over the woman without stopping to see if she was alright, 2) PRC bystanders doing nothing to help the poor victim, and 3) only to see a second driver running over and eventually killing the woman, lying helplessly in the street? I do, nonetheless, give the second driver the credit for stopping instead of running away like the guy in the taxi.

Where's the Western spin in that CHINESE video? Tell us in your own words how the event happened, and how the supposed Western spinning of the story affected Chinese citizens, drivers and passerby, to behave in such a shocking and uncivilized manner. How does Americans behave inside America have anything to do with Chinese behavior in China? Do tell, I'm all ears.

 

[solarz]

Very sad situation, I hope China finds a way out of its poor public morality problems. This sentence is especially noteworthy:

"A 2014 state media poll found that Chinese thought "lacking faith and ethics" was the No. 1 social problem, followed by "being a bystander or being selfish."

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There is no morality problem in China. What there is, is a rapidly changing society, and like in any rapidly changing society, people will pine for the "good old days" and lament the "moral decay" of the current generation.

Western media exploits this for their own agenda. Hit-and-runs happen all the time. Maybe the driver was drunk, would you say it was an indication of a drinking problem in China?

 

[Equation]

Explain how "the West" caused a Chinese taxi driver in the People's Republic to 1) run over the woman without stopping to see if she was alright, 2) PRC bystanders doing nothing to help the poor victim, and 3) only to see a second driver running over and eventually killing the woman, lying helplessly in the street? I do, nonetheless, give the second driver the credit for stopping instead of running away like the guy in the taxi.

Who says anything about "how the west caused a Chinese taxi driver in the PRC to run over a woman without stopping to see if she is alright"? Again you love to move the goal to your liking whenever you find yourself in a corner. The bottom line is about perspective of reporting in the West when it comes to incident like this happens in China always have a slant against the CPC EVEN when it has nothing to do with it. Again you failed to capture this logic therefore is doing your usual straw man argument.

Where's the Western spin in that CHINESE video? Tell us in your own words how the event happened, and how the supposed Western spinning of the story affected Chinese citizens, drivers and passerby, to behave in such a shocking and uncivilized manner. How does Americans behave inside America have anything to do with Chinese behavior in China? Do tell, I'm all ears.

You mean there are immoral people in America as well, BUT yet no reporting of the people raising a issue against the government for a rising immoral behavior? Once more my argument was about the sad perspective of many western reporting point of view always have a slant against the CPC for some reason. And again you changed the subject matter that has no relevancy in the debate.

 

[Blackstone]

There is no morality problem in China. What there is, is a rapidly changing society, and like in any rapidly changing society, people will pine for the "good old days" and lament the "moral decay" of the current generation.

Western media exploits this for their own agenda. Hit-and-runs happen all the time. Maybe the driver was drunk, would you say it was an indication of a drinking problem in China?

Agreed China is a rapidly changing society, but to say it has no morality problem is irrational. Also, whether Western media exploits true cases of Chinese immoral events is immaterial to the fact they occurred. On the other hand, I agree with you Westerners often hold dated or even false opinions of today's PRC, and I've said so many, many, many times here. Nonetheless, whatever opinions westerners have of the PRC has nothing to do with Chinese behaviors in their own country.

 

[Blackstone]

Who says anything about "how the west caused a Chinese taxi driver in the PRC to run over a woman without stopping to see if she is alright"? Again you love to move the goal to your liking whenever you find yourself in a corner. The bottom line is about perspective of reporting in the West when it comes to incident like this happens in China always have a slant against the CPC EVEN when it has nothing to do with it. Again you failed to capture this logic therefore is doing your usual straw man argument.

You mean there are immoral people in America as well, BUT yet no reporting of the people raising a issue against the government for a rising immoral behavior? Once more my argument was about the sad perspective of many western reporting point of view always have a slant against the CPC for some reason. And again you changed the subject matter that has no relevancy in the debate.

You, my friend Equation, was the one that changed the topic in the first place, and quite frequently take discussions off on tangents, so it's rich you accuse others of the same.