China's SCS Strategy Thread

mr.bean

Junior Member
What an event reversal. Not too long ago China Phillipine relation was at the bottom of the barrel
But look it now

Wearing a hat bearing the logo of 052 C type destroyer "Changchun" president President Duterte visited the ship. Here is the video
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what a difference a new President makes.
President Aquino was too busy kissing Obama's ass.
President Du30 called Obama ''the son of whore''.

god bless Du30 and i hope he kills more drug dealers.
 

advill

Junior Member
There are so many things factually incorrect here.

Where did you get the idea that the SCS is primarily about oil? I'd list the reasons in the following order of importance.

1. Solidifying China sovereignty over old pre-existing territorial 'claims'
2. Control over the SCS sea lanes carrying China's imports/exports
3. Control over the SCS sea lanes carrying everyone elses import/exports
3. Then natural resources like fish or oil

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And on the contrary, in the long-run, China's naval expansion is simply following the precedent set by the British Empire and the American Quasi-Empire when they were the pre-eminent global trading powers, and needed navies to protect seaborne commerce and promote a liberal trading environment.

But now China is the world's largest seaborne trading nation and largest net investor overseas.

And with the abdication of American leadership on free trade and economic globalisation - China is offering (imperfect) leadership based on these principles - and most of the world is accepting that invitation as we can see with the upcoming OBOR conference.

The lesson that China is learning is that economic carrots are generally better than the military stick.

Ponder on the words of Wisdom by Chinese Sage Chuang Tzu as follows:

"Picking the hairs to comb and counting the grains to cook, how can people caring for trivial things like this save the world".
 
There are so many things factually incorrect here.

Where did you get the idea that the SCS is primarily about oil? I'd list the reasons in the following order of importance.

1. Solidifying China sovereignty over old pre-existing territorial 'claims'
2. Control over the SCS sea lanes carrying China's imports/exports
3. Control over the SCS sea lanes carrying everyone elses import/exports
3. Then natural resources like fish or oil

---

And on the contrary, in the long-run, China's naval expansion is simply following the precedent set by the British Empire and the American Quasi-Empire when they were the pre-eminent global trading powers, and needed navies to protect seaborne commerce and promote a liberal trading environment.

But now China is the world's largest seaborne trading nation and largest net investor overseas.

And with the abdication of American leadership on free trade and economic globalisation - China is offering (imperfect) leadership based on these principles - and most of the world is accepting that invitation as we can see with the upcoming OBOR conference.

The lesson that China is learning is that economic carrots are generally better than the military stick.

Actually now that China is more powerful and externally focused again it is resuming its historic behavior of preferring economic carrots a lot more than military sticks.

This is a proven historical difference between China's external behavior versus that of colonial powers including the US. It is also a major reason why most of China's neighbors give China's peaceful rise the benefit of the doubt despite loads of third party propaganda to the contrary and actions to sow division and discord.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Actually now that China is more powerful and externally focused again it is resuming its historic behavior of preferring economic carrots a lot more than military sticks.

This is a proven historical difference between China's external behavior versus that of colonial powers including the US. It is also a major reason why most of China's neighbors give China's peaceful rise the benefit of the doubt despite loads of third party propaganda to the contrary and actions to sow division and discord.

Exactly contrary to the western propaganda China never was a predator instead she is the force of stability and prosperity. Back in Zheng He days she can colonize the whole SEA if they want it to.but she didn't Here is a short video

BTW here is the video of Duterte visit to Changchun
 

advill

Junior Member
Exactly contrary to the western propaganda China never was a predator instead she is the force of stability and prosperity. Back in Zheng He days she can colonize the whole SEA if they want it to.but she didn't Here is a short video

BTW here is the video of Duterte visit to Changchun

I have a few books on Adm Zheng He's 7 Voyages. Yes, the Chinese fleet did not colonise any country then. BTW, I visited a PLA-N ship during last year's IMDEX in Singapore. The sailors were smart and impressive, and an Officer that brought visitors around was polite & what I call a "pukka" (professional) Naval Officer.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I have a few books on Adm Zheng He's 7 Voyages. Yes, the Chinese fleet did not colonise any country then. BTW, I visited a PLA-N ship during last year's IMDEX in Singapore. The sailors were smart and impressive, and an Officer that brought visitors around was polite & what I call a "pukka" (professional) Naval Officer.
Do PLAN sailors get shore leave when they visit foreign ports? If so, are they allowed to go solo or do they have to be in groups chaperoned by political commissars?
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Exactly contrary to the western propaganda China never was a predator instead she is the force of stability and prosperity. Back in Zheng He days she can colonize the whole SEA if they want it to.but she didn't Here is a short video

BTW here is the video of Duterte visit to Changchun

Du30 is a good brother and he is always welcome onboard PLAN ship. the man is trying to do some good for the Philippines after that incompetent Noy Noy Aquino. We will see him in China shortly for the OBOR conference.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Well the situation in SCS has calmed down quite a bit with this symbolic visit. But what you know the warmonger never rest on their laurel. they mounted vilification campaign again
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Washington should be wary about a Beijing that has taken incremental steps toward small-stick diplomacy.

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Deterring aggression in the “gray zone” is hard. The keeper of an existing order—an order such as freedom of the sea—finds itself conflicted. That’s because gray-zone aggressors deliberately refuse to breach the threshold between uneasy peace and armed conflict, justifying a martial response. Instead they demolish the status quo little by little and replace it with something new.

Piecemeal assaults compel the status quo’s defenders to consider unappealing options. They can act first and bear the blame for the outbreak of war, for taking excessive risk, for provoking the revisionist power or for destabilizing the peace. Or, unwilling to incur such costs, they resign themselves to inaction or half-measures. Predisposed to put off difficult decisions, politicians can waffle, and surrender the initiative. Or they can escalate, and see their nation branded a bully.

An unpalatable choice. Gray-zone strategies are designed precisely to impose such quandaries on custodians of an existing order.

The stepwise approach is reminiscent of
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of the rebellious child who whittles down his parents’ willpower at the seashore. “Tell a child not to go in the water,” maintains Schelling, “and he’ll sit on the bank and submerge his bare feet; he is not yet ‘in’ the water. Acquiesce, and he’ll stand up; no more of him is in the water than before. Think it over, and he’ll start wading, not going any deeper; take a moment to decide whether this is different and he’ll go a little deeper, arguing that since he goes back and forth it all averages out. Pretty soon we are calling to him not to swim out of sight, wondering whatever happened to all our discipline.”

Over the past couple of decades, likewise, Beijing has devised a variety of stratagems to flummox those who defy its claims to sovereignty over islands, sea and sky. China started out with light-gray, largely inoffensive gray-zone tactics twenty-five years ago, but they darkened into coercion over time as its ambitions and power mounted.

First, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership codified its claim to offshore territory in
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in 1992, proclaiming that China held jurisdiction over disputed land features in the East and South China seas along with the surrounding waters. Western governments and press outlets deemed this development barely newsworthy, in large measure because Beijing made little effort to enforce the law. Though light in tincture, however, this Law on the Territorial Sea and Contiguous Zone comprised an extravagant statement of purpose toward China’s near seas.

This largely forgotten edict prepared the way for additional assertions of legal authority while justifying more muscular gray-zone strategies. In 2009, for instance, the CCP leadership delivered
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to the United Nations bearing a “nine-dash line” that delineated its claim to
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over some 80–90 percent of that waterway. It later flouted a
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that gutted its legal case for sovereignty. Beijing, it seems, has little fealty to commitments it has freely undertaken—
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—when operating in the gray zone.

China also projected its claims skyward. In 2013 the leadership declared an
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, encompassing Japanese- and Korean-administered islands. It asserted the power to regulate air traffic moving up and down the Asian seaboard, parallel to the coast, rather than traffic bound for China. Controlling airspace—not defending China against inbound aircraft—represented its true aim. Yet here, too, Beijing has only halfheartedly sought to enforce its air-defense zone—most recently by
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bound for South Korea. Its skyward strategy remains light gray in execution, if not in principle.

Second, China’s “smile diplomacy” ranked as the lightest of light-gray ventures. Commencing in the early 2000s, Beijing fashioned a diplomatic narrative drawing on the charisma of China’s ancient mariner,
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. The Ming Dynasty admiral commanded a series of “treasure voyages” six centuries ago, reinvigorating China’s tribute system in Southeast and South Asia without indulging in territorial conquest. Modern-day officialdom took pains to reassure fellow Asians that China would follow Zheng He’s pattern. It would make itself a potent yet beneficent sea power. It could be trusted not to abuse lesser neighbors.

In short, smile diplomacy constituted an effort to
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—and mute resistance to its maritime rise. Until the late 2000s, when China turned more assertive, regional audiences were by and large receptive to this soothing message.
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Here is Bonhomie D30 and Chinese navy. Asian countries can resolve their difference without the intervention of third party as they did in the past
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It is in a generally relaxed situation between China and the Philippines that Philippine President Duterte visited Chinese destroyer 150 Changchun , arrived with two other Chinese warships.

The Chinese fleet - consisting of the destroyer 150 Changchun of Type 052C , the frigate 532 Jingzhou of Type 054A and 890 tanker Chaohu on Type 903A - arrived April 30 at the Port of Davao, located in the eastern Philippines on The island of Mindanao.

The Philippines is the first stage in the world tour of the Chinese fleet, an invitation by President Duterte who has expressed several times his wish to visit a Chinese war ship.

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Hosted by Chinese Political Commissar MIAO Hua who arrived a few days earlier, and Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines, Duterte and his government boarded the Chinese destroyer on 1 May around 3:30 pm 'afternoon.

After the welcoming ceremony, the Chinese military presented the equipment and performance of the ship to the Philippine President, who then visited the command and information centers (CIC), the navigation bridge and the armament compartments. Duterte also went to the officers' canteen and the sailors to understand the life aboard this 6,000-ton ship.

"I am very grateful to the Chinese government for sending warships to visit the Philippines," said Duterte in his speech in the Chinese destroyer hangar, "This ship is the best of all War that I visited. "

The No. 1 of the Philippines wants the two navies to have the opportunity to conduct joint exercises, "in the name of friendship" he added.

The last diplomatic port of the Chinese Navy in the Philippines dates back to April 2010, 7 years ago.
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, good interaction between the two parties sends a message to neighboring countries, notably the United States and Japan, that China and the South China Sea countries can effectively resolve their differences through bilateral exchanges and negotiations , Without the intervention of a third party
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Destroyer 150 Changchun and the other two Chinese warships left the Philippines on May 2, after a three-day stopover, and now set out on the second leg of their tour - Vietnam.

Henri K.
 
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delft

Brigadier
Well the situation in SCS has calmed down quite a bit with this symbolic visit. But what you know the warmonger never rest on their laurel. they mounted vilification campaign again
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Excerpt
Washington should be wary about a Beijing that has taken incremental steps toward small-stick diplomacy.

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May 2, 2017
Deterring aggression in the “gray zone” is hard. The keeper of an existing order—an order such as freedom of the sea—finds itself conflicted. That’s because gray-zone aggressors deliberately refuse to breach the threshold between uneasy peace and armed conflict, justifying a martial response. Instead they demolish the status quo little by little and replace it with something new.

Piecemeal assaults compel the status quo’s defenders to consider unappealing options. They can act first and bear the blame for the outbreak of war, for taking excessive risk, for provoking the revisionist power or for destabilizing the peace. Or, unwilling to incur such costs, they resign themselves to inaction or half-measures. Predisposed to put off difficult decisions, politicians can waffle, and surrender the initiative. Or they can escalate, and see their nation branded a bully.

An unpalatable choice. Gray-zone strategies are designed precisely to impose such quandaries on custodians of an existing order.

The stepwise approach is reminiscent of
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of the rebellious child who whittles down his parents’ willpower at the seashore. “Tell a child not to go in the water,” maintains Schelling, “and he’ll sit on the bank and submerge his bare feet; he is not yet ‘in’ the water. Acquiesce, and he’ll stand up; no more of him is in the water than before. Think it over, and he’ll start wading, not going any deeper; take a moment to decide whether this is different and he’ll go a little deeper, arguing that since he goes back and forth it all averages out. Pretty soon we are calling to him not to swim out of sight, wondering whatever happened to all our discipline.”

Over the past couple of decades, likewise, Beijing has devised a variety of stratagems to flummox those who defy its claims to sovereignty over islands, sea and sky. China started out with light-gray, largely inoffensive gray-zone tactics twenty-five years ago, but they darkened into coercion over time as its ambitions and power mounted.

First, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership codified its claim to offshore territory in
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in 1992, proclaiming that China held jurisdiction over disputed land features in the East and South China seas along with the surrounding waters. Western governments and press outlets deemed this development barely newsworthy, in large measure because Beijing made little effort to enforce the law. Though light in tincture, however, this Law on the Territorial Sea and Contiguous Zone comprised an extravagant statement of purpose toward China’s near seas.

This largely forgotten edict prepared the way for additional assertions of legal authority while justifying more muscular gray-zone strategies. In 2009, for instance, the CCP leadership delivered
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to the United Nations bearing a “nine-dash line” that delineated its claim to
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
over some 80–90 percent of that waterway. It later flouted a
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
that gutted its legal case for sovereignty. Beijing, it seems, has little fealty to commitments it has freely undertaken—
Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!
—when operating in the gray zone.

China also projected its claims skyward. In 2013 the leadership declared an
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, encompassing Japanese- and Korean-administered islands. It asserted the power to regulate air traffic moving up and down the Asian seaboard, parallel to the coast, rather than traffic bound for China. Controlling airspace—not defending China against inbound aircraft—represented its true aim. Yet here, too, Beijing has only halfheartedly sought to enforce its air-defense zone—most recently by
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bound for South Korea. Its skyward strategy remains light gray in execution, if not in principle.

Second, China’s “smile diplomacy” ranked as the lightest of light-gray ventures. Commencing in the early 2000s, Beijing fashioned a diplomatic narrative drawing on the charisma of China’s ancient mariner,
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. The Ming Dynasty admiral commanded a series of “treasure voyages” six centuries ago, reinvigorating China’s tribute system in Southeast and South Asia without indulging in territorial conquest. Modern-day officialdom took pains to reassure fellow Asians that China would follow Zheng He’s pattern. It would make itself a potent yet beneficent sea power. It could be trusted not to abuse lesser neighbors.

In short, smile diplomacy constituted an effort to
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—and mute resistance to its maritime rise. Until the late 2000s, when China turned more assertive, regional audiences were by and large receptive to this soothing message.
(cont)
A curious case of rewriting history. If US thought the islands didn't belong to China they should have said so seventy years ago when ROC published the nine dash line.
 
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