Aircraft Carriers III

because of an another part of the post Dec 29, 2016
until now I didn't react to:
... Russian Carrier design doctrine ...

so let me repeat here the description of how Soviet aircraft carriers could've evolved differently:
Jun 3, 2015
... a historical remark now: the design process(es) which lead to "the Admiral Kuznetsov-class" (Project 11435) took ten years due to numerous "hints" from above ... described by Kuzin & Nikolsky at pages from about 100 to 104 ... in short, the design actually built is pretty different from the
  • 80,000 tons displacing
  • nuclear-powered
  • for 70+ machines
  • with four steam catapults
request (1973) of Gorshkov approved by Grechko and supported by Butoma (somebody very influential in the Soviet industry at that time), isn't it? Kuzin & Nikolsky say the reasons for the change definitely weren't financial nor technical (one of them was both Grechko and Butoma soon passed away -- now I checked: both in 1976)

EDIT
B. E. Butoma was the Minister of Soviet Shipbuilding Industry
(that book is from mid-1990s, the period when the authors didn't care much about the old ideology, and the new one wasn't yet established :)
 

Jeff Head

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Yes, that was a GREAT event...but it happened back in the fall of 2014 I believe. Almost 2 1/2 years ago.

And he bird has passed its carrier qualification, including launch and recovery twice more since.

Some folks are just invested in it failing and look for anything to try and prove that investment.

but they are wrong...and the aircraft itself is in the process of proving it.
 
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bd popeye

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No matter what the no-nothing experts say the F-35 will fly for a long while!

I found these terffic photos on navsource.....baby..it's cold outside!!!

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National Archives Photo 80-G-439869: USS Philippine Sea (CV-47) flight deck scene, looking aft from the island, as the carrier is enveloped in a snowstorm off the Korean coast, 15 November 1950. Planes on deck include Vought F4U-4B Corsair fighters and Douglas AD Skyraider attack planes. Note men on deck, apparently tossing snowballs, and what may be a toppled snowman just in front of the amidships elevator. Official U.S. Navy Photograph, now in the collections of the National Archives.

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National Archives Photo 80-G-439871: USS Philippine Sea (CV-47). Grumman F9F-2 Panther fighters of Fighter Squadrons 111 and 112 (VF-111 & VF-112) parked on the flight deck, forward, during a snowstorm off the Korean coast, 15 November 1950. Official U.S. Navy Photograph, now in the collections of the National Archives.

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Crewmen use flight deck tractors with power brooms to sweep snow from the carrier's flight deck, during operations off Korea, circa early 1951. Photo is dated 8 May 1951, but Valley Forge ended her second Korean War deployment in late March of that year. Plane parked in the foreground is a F4U-4 Corsair fighter. Those on the forward flight deck are an AD Skyraider attack plane and a HO3S helicopter.
Official U.S. Navy Photograph, now in the collections of the National Archives (photo # 80-G-428267)...Scott Dyben

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Crewmen participate in a snowball fight, while clearing snow from the carrier's flight deck during operations off Korea, circa early 1951. Photo is dated 8 May 1951, but Valley Forge ended her second Korean War deployment in late March of that year. Planes parked on deck are F4U-4 Corsair fighters. That at left, with rockets on its wing, is Bureau # 81150.
Official U.S. Navy Photograph, now in the collections of the National Archives (photo # 80-G-428270)....Scott Dyben

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Crewmen clear snow from the carrier's flight deck, off the coast of Korea. Photo is dated 18 January 1952. Aircraft closest to camera is an AD, with two F4U-5Ns immediately behind it.
Official U.S. Navy Photograph, now in the collections of the National Archives (photo # 80-G-437709).
 

Obi Wan Russell

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From the same era,14523107_10210380649892841_9107286478077968246_n.jpg Fairey Fireflies and Hawker Sea Furies aboard HMS Glory R62 off Korea having 'fun' in the snow;theseus2.jpg More fun off Korea aboard HMS Theseus R64. Operations didn't stop for the snow unless it was a 'whiteout' and the deck became invisible even when you were standing on it!
 
OK I'll just pull this:
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at gazeta.ru right now: Russians will [very soon] reduce their forces in Syria, the first to leave is [what I would call] the Kuznetsov CVBG (officially it's like the aircraft carrier group of the Northern Fleet), says
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and will leave praising/lambasting/whatever of this Admiral Kuznetsov deployment to the rest of members, to numerous analysts/"analysts", spin doctors ... :)
 

FORBIN

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No matter what the no-nothing experts say the F-35 will fly for a long while!

I found these terffic photos on navsource.....baby..it's cold outside!!!

From the same era,View attachment 35511 Fairey Fireflies and Hawker Sea Furies aboard HMS Glory R62 off Korea having 'fun' in the snow;View attachment 35512 More fun off Korea aboard HMS Theseus R64. Operations didn't stop for the snow unless it was a 'whiteout' and the deck became invisible even when you were standing on it!
You do !
It needed almost snowshoes to walk :D but in Korea in the Winter sometimes very cold possible up to - 30°

Never see French carriers with snow also deployed only in Med., M-E sometimes up to India.
 

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An Interesting read on the QECs and F-35B:
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Particularly liked this bit:
"...I think we (the UK) have a huge advantage as both of these capabilities — F-35 and Queen Elizabeth Class — were designed with each other in mind from the very beginning. Having visited NAS Fallon with the RN last week, it is clear from the US Navy that live virtual constructive training will be crucial to understand both transformations and exploit the next generation capabilities that they bring.

"The USN were very interested in our purchase of DMRT, the deployed mission-ready trainers, essentially a portable full mission simulator [FMS], one of which is already in place at Edwards AFB to support our Operational Test and Evaluation effort.

Quote:
"...Deployable Mission Rehearsal Trainers (DMRT) The less-complex DMRT design has two cockpits with smaller visual displays and is mounted in a container that can be easily transported from site to site...."
Two containers are will be ‘hung’ in the hangar deck of the Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers, which allows us to practice any number of scenarios from carrier flying to high-end training to our heart’s content on board the ship. The ability to be able to mission rehearse or even problem solve with this capability is a step into the next generation of warfare.

The next step will be connecting that across to the Typhoon simulators off the ship in order to be able to remotely participate in 4th/5th gen training. There’s work in progress at the moment in terms of connecting a range of different simulators in the UK and not just in the air domain...."

The spaces in the QEC design which had been reserved for the Arrestor gear engines below the flight deck aft have long since been re allocated to the mission planning for the Lightnings. What then happened was that the spaces that were 'reserved' for cat and trap gear was given over for other uses - it's simply not practical to sail a warship around with great empty spaces in it. In the case of arresting gear, the spaces involved were very large, and have been used to house the extremely large mission planning areas demanded by the F-35 team.

Given the above, it's hardly surprising the USMC is keen (to put it mildly) to deploy aboard the QECs alongside The FAA/RAF and show what their new toys can do!
 
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