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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Anyone else heard the rumor that the J-20 massacred 4th gen opposition at a recent exercise in Dingxing?

Yes, but that is to be expected.

After all, the PLAAF is hardly going to have it so the J20 gets spanked on their first outing.

I would expect the ROE to be fairly realistic, but still heavily in favour of the J20, so no anti-stealth radars and focus on 'realistic' fights where the two sides start from a long distance apart, giving the J20 space and time to use their stealth to maximum effect.

From what I have heard, the 4th gens mostly got killed before they even knew they were engaged (which mirrors early Raptor vs legacy US results), but that is probably not a fair result, since in real life, the 4th gens will probably have anti-stealth radar telling them the general direction the stealths are coming at, which would allow them to focus their scanning, and especially use their IRST to hunt for the stealths.

Even if the stealths do still get the drop on them, MAWS should give the 4th gens at least some warning rather than just be 'bang, you are dead'.
 

davidau

Senior Member
Registered Member
China AC352 with Chinese engines....
On December 20, 2016, AC352 advanced medium multipurpose helicopter first flew in the ice city of Harbin. AC352 helicopter co-developed under AVIC/AVIC helicopter company Hafei and Airbus. AC352 is equipped with two Chinese-made turbo-shaft engine 16.

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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Yup it is Chinese engine all right Here is the official SAFRAN statement. A great day for Avicopter Finally they have turboshaft engine in the class of 1600-200 SHP easily double of triple the WZ8 engine of 700-800 shp.And better still bested the PTC 6C-67B Pratt and Whitney Canada. What a sweet revenge. Finally they can now retrofit the Z10 and release the full potential of the beast
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China’s AC352 completes first flight with WZ16 engine
20 December 2016, Harbin
The first flight of the Avicopter AC352, powered with WZ16 engine, took place today in Harbin. The AC352 is a new seven-ton, twin-engine, multi-purpose rotorcraft jointly developed by Avicopter and Airbus Helicopters. The WZ16 met all the performance targets set for this maiden flight. Known in the west as the Ardiden 3C, the engine has been jointly developed by Safran Helicopter Engines, CAPI and Dongan, parts of the new Aero Engine Corporation of China (AECC) consortium, in a partnership for both development and production.

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The WZ16 is a new-generation turboshaft in the 1,500 to 2,000 shp power class. It features a remarkably compact modular architecture, a best in class power to weight ratio with a low cost-of-ownership. Compared to the competition, it offers a 10 % lower fuel consumption.

"Such milestone achieved is the result of closer cooperation between both sides. Building on this, in the future, we will continue our cooperation toward the goal of engine certification at an early date" said Mr Qin Yuchun, President of AECC Dongan."

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Commented Safran Helicopter Engines EVP Programs, Cyrille Poetsch, "this flight both secures the AC352 development schedule and marks a major milestone in our partnership with China's aerospace industry. Through this program Safran demonstrates its ability to successfully conduct new-generation engine design as part of an international partnership. This is also a significant step for Avicopter. Since its establishment in 1956, it has grown to become a major rotorcraft manufacturer. We are proud to be aboard their new-generation AC352 and wish them a happy 60th anniversary".

WZ16 will be the first helicopter engine to be certified in parallel, both in China by CAAC (Civil Aviation Administration of China) and in Europe under Ardiden 3C designation, by EASA (European Aviation Safety Agency) under the Ardiden 3C designation. The EASA certification for the Ardiden 3C is expected by end of 2017, and the CAAC certification for the WZ16 in 2018.

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With over 500 engines in operation, China represents a strategic market for Safran Helicopter Engines. One of every two Chinese-registered helicopters is equipped with a Safran engine or a licensed product. This level of business is the result of 40 years of cooperation with industry in China.
 
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