ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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The propaganda says the horrible dictator Assad is bombing innocent civilians. That is quite different from what happens in prisons.
BTW How do we know this is really from a Syrian prison and not the product of some video factory? There is a real anti-Syria propaganda industry including that nonsense about Assad bombing his own population.
 
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The propaganda says the horrible dictator Assad is bombing innocent civilians. That is quite different from what happens in prisons.
BTW How do we know this is really from a Syrian prison and not the product of some video factory?
I guess this would become apparent IF Mr. Assad lost the war (and I of course used IF as I don't know don't if Mr. Assad will, or won't, loose this war, because I'm not a fortune teller), but I won't discuss how prisoners are treated: what I read was sickening even if it had been made up

There is a real anti-Syria propaganda industry including that nonsense about Assad bombing his own population.
again, if all the footage (for example of what I have been seeing for one year now in the right banner at
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from various places in Syria) of aerial bombing causing civilian casualties were faked, this would be revealed once the war is over;

to make the above point very clear, what I see there at top now is:
44 minutes ago -
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actually it's the second last example, because the last example seems to show somebody wounded; it's from
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and once the war is over, we should hear from Rastan and what was caused by its aerial bombardment (if there was such a thing, and it was not just a product of your 'anti-Syria propaganda industry', right?) ... was it a limited collateral damage? something else? let's wait and see
 
the MilitaryTimes article (
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) below is kinda related to Wednesday at 7:24 PM in Russian Military News, Reports, Data, etc.
... the conjecture I've read, which is that this kinda surface version of "Fort" (the posts by FORBIN right above) Russians recently brought to Syria to be able to protect Mr. Assad from an attack by the US Navy Tomahawks (if I'm not mistaken, such an attack was imminent three years ago, Obama just didn't call it then) ... it's scary, I of course don't mean to discuss any scenario any further
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Russia strongly warns U.S. against striking Syrian army
The Russian military on Thursday strongly warned the United States against striking the Syrian army, noting that its air defense weapons in Syria stand ready to fend off any attack.

The statement underlined high tensions between Moscow and Washington after the collapse of a U.S.-Russia-brokered Syria truce and the Syrian army's offensive on Aleppo backed by Russian warplanes.

Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said any U.S. strikes on areas controlled by Syrian President Bashar Assad's government could jeopardize the lives of Russian servicemen.

He said Moscow was worried by media reports alleging that Washington was pondering the possibility of striking Syrian army positions.

"I would recommend our colleagues in Washington to carefully weigh possible consequences of the fulfillment of such plans," Konashenkov said.

In Washington, State Department spokesman John Kirby said "We're looking at the full range of options here and those comments notwithstanding, we still have a responsibility as a government to consider all those options."

"I don't find them (comments like the warning) helpful to moving forward, to reach some sort of diplomatic solution here. But the Russians should speak for themselves and why they're saying that kind of thing," he said.

Russia responded with dismay to the U.S.-led coalition's air raid on Syrian army positions near Deir el-Zour that killed 60 Syrian soldiers on Sept. 17, rejecting the U.S. explanation that the attack was a mistake.

Konashenkov said "we have taken all the necessary measures to prevent any such 'mistakes' with regard to Russian servicemen and military facilities in Syria."

He said the range of Russia's S-300 and S-400 air defense missile systems deployed to Syria would be a "surprise" to any country operating its aircraft over the country. Konashenkov added that the Syrian army also has various Soviet- and Russian-built air defense missile systems, which have undergone modernization over the past year.

Since Russia has launched its air campaign in Syria in support of Assad's forces a year ago, the Russia and the U.S. militaries have maintained contacts to prevent any midair incidents between Russian warplanes and the aircraft from the U.S.-led coalition in the skies over Syria.

Konashenkov warned, however, that the Russian military won't have time to use the hotline if it sees missiles on their way to targets in Syria.

"It must be understood that Russian air defense missile crews will unlikely have time to clarify via the hotline the exact flight program of the missiles or the ownership of their carriers," he added.

In an apparent hint at the U.S. stealth aircraft, he added that any "dilettante illusions about stealth planes could collide with disappointing realities."

The Russian military announced Tuesday that a battery of the S-300 air defense missile systems had been sent to Syria to protect a Russian facility in the Syrian port of Tartus and Russian navy ships off the Mediterranean coast.

Tartus is the only naval supply facility Russia has outside the former Soviet Union.

The deployment has added more punch to the Russian military force in Syria, which already includes long-range S-400 missile defense systems and an array of other surface-to-air missiles at the Hemeimeem air base in Syria's coastal province of Latakia.

Russia has conducted an air campaign in support of Assad since Sept. 30, 2015, saving his army from imminent defeat and helping it win key ground.
 

delft

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and once the war is over, we should hear from Rastan and what was caused by its aerial bombardment (if there was such a thing, and it was not just a product of your 'anti-Syria propaganda industry', right?) ... was it a limited collateral damage? something else? let's wait and see
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You may have to wait a long time. In 1946-49 the Netherlands tried to recover its colony Indonesia because the income from its exploitation was thought to be necessary to pay for the repair of the damage caused during WWII. In 1969 the Dutch government acknowledged, after descriptions of war crimes by a veteran, that there had been "excesses". A man who was born in he Netherlands but left it when he was six month young and went to live in Switzerland when he was six but now works in the history department of the Dutch armed forces, wrote his thesis for a Swiss university and published its Dutch translation a few weeks ago, described in it a policy of committing war crimes on a very large scale comparable to the conduct of the German armed forces in Eastern Europe during WWII. This is the way the Dutch government let out the facts without itself saying anything, after nearly seventy years.
 
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You may have to wait a long time. ...
... you may be right, of course, but I'm guessing it should be easier to get info about what was really going on in Syria around 2016 than about was really going on in tropical jungles around 1946 (sorry if I misunderstood your example)

by the way years ago I've read a book about an expedition towards Carstensz Top in 1950s LOL they made it to the snow line from what I recall
(that's how it was called in that book, it's
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EDIT so that I don't use colonial name or something)
 
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delft

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... you may be right, of course, but I'm guessing it should be easier to get info about what was really going on in Syria around 2016 than about was really going on in tropical jungles around 1946 (sorry if I misunderstood your example)

by the way years ago I've read a book about an expedition towards Carstensz Top in 1950s LOL they made it to the snow line from what I recall
(that's how it was called in that book, it's
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My parents subscribed to the only Dutch newspaper that gave some impression of the horrors already in the '40's. A cousin of my mother's said in the mid '50's that it was so horrible he didn't want to talk about it. Some people were aware of it but nothing was published in "respectable" publications.

Carstensz Top is in Irian Jaya, then called Dutch New Guinea. It was kept out of the agreement in which the Netherlands recognized the independence of Indonesia - until a few years ago the Netherlands said that this agreement granted Indonesia independence - because the Dutch government said they needed another half century to prepare the Papuan people for independence. In the early sixties President Kennedy forced the Netherlands to surrender Irian Jaya to Indonesia.
 
My parents subscribed to the only Dutch newspaper that gave some impression of the horrors already in the '40's. A cousin of my mother's said in the mid '50's that it was so horrible he didn't want to talk about it. Some people were aware of it but nothing was published in "respectable" publications.

Carstensz Top is in Irian Jaya, then called Dutch New Guinea. It was kept out of the agreement in which the Netherlands recognized the independence of Indonesia - until a few years ago the Netherlands said that this agreement granted Indonesia independence - because the Dutch government said they needed another half century to prepare the Papuan people for independence. In the early sixties President Kennedy forced the Netherlands to surrender Irian Jaya to Indonesia.

...only to have the CIA take over ensuring Indonesia is US-colonialism/pseudo-colonialism friendly especially after JFK was assassinated.
 
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