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Russian Navy Pacific Fleet to receive six Project 636.6 submarines in 2019-2021 under new contract

The Russian Navy’s Pacific Fleet will take delivery of six Project 636.6 (NATO reporting name: Improved Kilo-class) diesel-electric submarines in 2019-2021 under a new contract, Admiralty Shipyards Director General Alexander Buzakov told journalists. The company will build the submarines.


"The delivery schedule for the six subs is as follows: two in 2019, two in 2020 and two in 2021," he said.
On September 7, the Russian Defense Ministry and Admiralty Shipyards signed a contract for a series of submarines in a ceremony held as part of the Army 2016 forum.

Previously, the order was expected to be split between the Admiralty Shipyards and Amur Shipyard in the Russian Far East. Then, the United Shipbuilding Corporation said all of the submarines would be built in St. Petersburg.

A six-ship Project 636.3 series has been built for the Black Sea Fleet. The fifth and sixth submarines of the series are due to the Russian Navy’s inventory before year-end 2016.

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[delft]

(based on

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and what I read elsewhere)
briefly the Russian Navy issue promised in the above post:
currently there's no planning, at the Headquarters level, for coordinated operations "in the World Oceans"; for example

(I'll use one from the times of the USSR so that nobody considers it war-mongering OK hopefully):
the appropriate units of the Soviet Baltic Fleet, on the order from the Moscow Headquarters and with the operation plans made in the Moscow Headquarters (by the way the HQ are in S. Petersburg now), could've been moved to the North Sea before an outbreak of the war, to "keep busy" NATO Navies (I think mainly the Dutch Navy, sorry delft would've been sent to engage) there, so that they can't interfere with a Soviet invasion of Norway, during which the Soviet Northern Fleet would've acted as "a screen", with the operations again directed from Moscow, against the other NATO Navies (mostly the RN, I guess)

now there's no Department even considering the actions at the HQ level, and all five Fleets have independent "operational strategies" (to me this basically means they're reduced to coastal protection; you may tell me about the Surface Group off Syria, but, to me, that's also coastal protection)

There is no way that the Soviet navy could have hoped to operate in what the Danes call the West Sea. The North Sea to the Russians is North of Russia and Norway and West of Nova Zembla.
BTW in the Netherlands we have a wet area that is now called IJsselmeer and was until 1932 the Zuiderzee - in English the Southern Sea. This might have called the East Sea by the people from Hollanf but was to the South of Frisia which had a important merchant marine earlier than Holland. So we called the Baltic, with the Danes, the East Sea, Oostzee in Dutch.

 

[Jura The idiot]

There is no way that the Soviet navy could have hoped to operate in what the Danes call the West Sea.

all right, all right, I just gave an example to explain what I meant by

... planning, at the Headquarters level, for coordinated operations "in the World Oceans"...

... Nova Zembla.

sorry delft, the typo (?) in

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is ugly

 

[Jura The idiot]

... to keep the crews happy they need space and comfort. ...

there are two questions related to space/weaponry "dilemma"

1. Are the conditions really unbearable? in this sense: I've read recollections of a WW2 German Submariner, who at that time complained to (a retired) WW1 German Submariner; the old guy told him something like Common, your sub is luxurious! When I served, we didn't have a toilet, a Torpedo Operator had to sleep on the torp, ... so don't complain! (later of course a WW2 Submariner would've said a 1970s sub is luxurious, then a 1970s Submariner would've said the same about a current sub)
2. Can you hire now a guy to sleep on the torp until he'll launch it? I don't think so LOL!

 

[delft]

sorry delft, the typo (?) in

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is ugly

I was too lazy to find another spelling for that new land. This is the way it is spelled in Dutch. It is a famous place to the Dutch because Willem son of Barend and the crew of his ship survive a winter 1596-7 on the northern island when his attempt to reach the Indies along that route failed. The sea is now called Barends Sea.

 

[Jura The idiot]

I was too lazy to find another spelling for that new land. This is the way it is spelled in Dutch. It is a famous place because Willem son of Barend and the crew of his ship survive a winter 1596-7 on the northern island when his attempt to reach the Indies along that route failed. The sea is now called Barends Sea.

sorry for nitpicking I should've clicked:

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indeed!

 

[delft]

there are two questions related to space/weaponry "dilemma"

1. Are the conditions really unbearable? in this sense: I've read recollections of a WW2 German Submariner, who at that time complained to (a retired) WW1 German Submariner; the old guy told him something like Common, your sub is luxurious! When I served, we didn't have a toilet, a Torpedo Operator had to sleep on the torp, ... so don't complain! (later of course a WW2 Submariner would've said a 1970s sub is luxurious, then a 1970s Submariner would've said the same about a current sub)
2. Can you hire now a guy to sleep on the torp until he'll launch it? I don't think so LOL!

Of course they are not unbearable, but people might decide not to sign on for a next period if they aren't decidedly better than are acceptable to a Chinese crew that isn't away from home so very long and so very often. See the concern about USN CVN's spending more than half their time on station in West Pac or the Indian Ocean.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Of course they are not unbearable, but people might decide not to sign on for a next period if they aren't decidedly better than are acceptable to a Chinese crew that isn't away from home so very long and so very often. See the concern about USN CVN's spending more than half their time on station in West Pac or the Indian Ocean.

now I need to get back to what I originally said
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/russian-military-news-reports-data-etc.t1545/page-383#post-415044
as any accommodation concerns hardly explain certain Western warships not receiving

• a VLS to be able to provide a mid-range AA protection (examples would be #1, #2 from the original posts)
• ASW means other than a helo (example would be #3 from the original post: what such an "escort" is supposed to escort?)

(OK sometimes they receive stuff after like a decade, example would be AShMs for UK Type 45 Destroyers ... for about a decade 9k displacing Destroyer had been basically unable to hit another ship!)

Russian designers put "everything"* on, which sometimes was ridiculous as a towed sonar on the Slava-class Cruisers

* I know it's an exaggeration, generalization, whatever

 

[Janiz]

1. Are the conditions really unbearable? in this sense: I've read recollections of a WW2 German Submariner, who at that time complained to (a retired) WW1 German Submariner; the old guy told him something like Common, your sub is luxurious! When I served, we didn't have a toilet, a Torpedo Operator had to sleep on the torp, ... so don't complain! (later of course a WW2 Submariner would've said a 1970s sub is luxurious, then a 1970s Submariner would've said the same about a current sub)

Submariners are carefully selected among other sailors. Mainly because of the nature of their duty (staying for a long periods of time with a number of people that you know alomost everything about) and it's seen as something to be proud of. At least in the big navies around the world. Thanks to that most of them are cool, easy going sailors without too much temper ashore. Without that you couldn't work in those conditions.

 

[Gloire_bb]

There is no way that the Soviet navy could have hoped to operate in what the Danes call the West Sea. The North Sea to the Russians is North of Russia and Norway and West of Nova Zembla.

The North Sea for the Russians is the same as for everyone else.
Баренцево море (rus.for Barents sea) never is called as such.