J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

tidalwave

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Also many chinese analysts have mentioned J10B can defeat japanese F15. So navalized J10 would be good.
 

Ashbringer_NEU

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in J10 versus su30MKK exercise. J10 won everytime.

Well dude maybe you have trustworthy source of this information, but I remember K3S which has Su-30MKK got 4 "Golden Helmets" in PLAAF last year.

Besides, even you are right about J-10 won the fight against Su-30MKK, it cannot states that "J-10C is much better than J-15": first of all, Su-30MKK is a multifunctional fighter, and J-10, however, more focus on Air. Second, Su-30MKK uses old Russian N001VE radar and elect equipment, it is worse than Chinese radar on J-10A, J-11B and J-15, not to mention J-10C, which is carrying China's best equipments including AESA now.

I really cannot understand why the performance of Su-30MKK can inform the situation of a totally different plane J-15? They all come from a same prototype, yes, so what? Their mission, frame, equipments are all different. I am pretty sure that even J-10A can easily beat earliest version Su-27, does it mean that J-10A can beat Su-35?

Just like I said, J-15 is still upgrading, and its equipments are better than Su-30MKK, they maybe similar to the equipments on J-11B. After all, it is unfair to say entire J-15 and its future type are worse than the latest version of J-10. Even if J-15 lost the battle against J-10 with same level radar and equipments, we still need to consider conditions like pilots and air situations, those fights' result never caused by a single reason.
 

kriss

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The ejection pushed the nose down to the ground and the aircraft back on the runway. Without the pilot, the aircraft later went off the runway, took only minor damage.

It's not something happens everyday but also not the first time ejection saves would-be-crashed plane.
 

tidalwave

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Well dude maybe you have trustworthy source of this information, but I remember K3S which has Su-30MKK got 4 "Golden Helmets" in PLAAF last year.

Besides, even you are right about J-10 won the fight against Su-30MKK, it cannot states that "J-10C is much better than J-15": first of all, Su-30MKK is a multifunctional fighter, and J-10, however, more focus on Air. Second, Su-30MKK uses old Russian N001VE radar and elect equipment, it is worse than Chinese radar on J-10A, J-11B and J-15, not to mention J-10C, which is carrying China's best equipments including AESA now.

I really cannot understand why the performance of Su-30MKK can inform the situation of a totally different plane J-15? They all come from a same prototype, yes, so what? Their mission, frame, equipments are all different. I am pretty sure that even J-10A can easily beat earliest version Su-27, does it mean that J-10A can beat Su-35?

Just like I said, J-15 is still upgrading, and its equipments are better than Su-30MKK, they maybe similar to the equipments on J-11B. After all, it is unfair to say entire J-15 and its future type are worse than the latest version of J-10. Even if J-15 lost the battle against J-10 with same level radar and equipments, we still need to consider conditions like pilots and air situations, those fights' result never caused by a single reason.

they act as complement. J10 supply would put less stress on J15 supplier. They falling behind right now,
 

Ashbringer_NEU

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F35 single engined. So is Harrier.

I said USUALLY, F-35 is a fighter that used for Marine, Navy, and Air Force, it means it is not a specific design for carrier, I also remember that US Navy once worried about F-35's single-engine design, however F-135 engine did a good job.

Again, it is unfair to compare J-10C and J-15, new version of J-15 is being tested now, it may also carry AESA like J-10 (maybe a better and larger AESA). Besides, J-10 is never considered to be a carrier-based fighter before, that means, CAC needs to redesign lots of things to make it work on a carrier, it takes time.
 

tidalwave

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remember china gonna have 6 carriers and 3 of them by 2020. Each one will carry 30 fighters.
For the past 4 yrs, SAC only produced 17 J15s, that not even enough for Liaoning when fully loaded at this point. At this rate, SAC be able to produce 30 J15s by 2020. That ONLY enough for 1 carrier!

They gonna find ways to ramp it up. Navalized J10 would be great.
 

Ashbringer_NEU

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Also many chinese analysts have mentioned J10B can defeat japanese F15. So navalized J10 would be good.

Many CHINESE ANALYSTS said, my friend, I do not mean to my homeland's analysts, for most F-15J they are correct, but it does not support your statement, either. Just like Su-30MKK, most of F-15J are still using old radar and equipments, they are much worse than J-10B (actually Japanese are upgrading their F-15J, but I do not have precise details about the process.). Considering F-15J's old equipments, it does not have advantages when it fights against J-11B/J-15, either.

If you just mean J-10 service in PLA Navy, then J-10 already did, J-10 family already joined PLAN, but not as a carrier-based plane.
 
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