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ShahryarHedayat

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Downing of Su-24 'Will Have Serious Consequences' for Russia-Turkey Ties

Tragedy with Russian Su-24 downed in Syria to have serious consequences for Moscow-Ankara relations, Vladimir Putin stated.

Russia's president stated that the incident with Su-24 in Syria is beyond regular war against terrorism.

"Instead of contacting us immediately Turkey addressed their NATO partners — as if it was us who downed their plane, not vice versa," Putin said.

"Our jet fell six kilometers away from the border, within Syrian arispace."

A Russian Su-24 was shot down over Syria on Tuesday, according to reports from the Russian Defense Ministry. The two pilots were able to eject from the plane, although their current fate is unknown.

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plawolf

plawolf

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The BBC is now carrying the same interview from Putin, with slightly more details/better translation that the RT article posted earlier.

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Turkish warplanes have shot down a Russian military aircraft on the border with Syria.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the Su-24 was hit by air-to-air missiles fired by Turkish F-16s while it was flying over Syrian territory.

But Turkish military officials said the plane was engaged after being warned that it was violating Turkish airspace.

Mr Putin described the incident as a "stab in the back" committed by "accomplices of terrorists".

The crew ejected before the jet crashed in Latakia province, but Syrian rebels said at least one was dead.


It is the first time a Russian aircraft has crashed in Syria since Moscow launched air strikes against opponents of President Bashar al-Assad in late September.

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The Nato military alliance, to which Turkey belongs, said it was following the situation "closely" and was in contact with the Turkish authorities. There will be an "informational meeting" of ambassadors in Brussels at 16:00 GMT.

'Exclusively above Syria'
At a meeting with King Abdullah II of Jordan in Sochi, Russia's president confirmed that the Su-24 had been shot down over Syrian territory, 1km (0.6 miles) from the Turkish border, by an air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16 jet. It crashed in Syrian territory 4km (2.5 miles) from the border, he added.


Image copyright Turkish Armed Forces
Image caption Turkey's military said the Russian warplane was warned that it was violating Turkish airspace

Image copyright HABERTURK TV CHANNEL VIA EPA
Image caption Russia's defence ministry said it could prove the aircraft never left Syrian airspace
"This goes beyond the normal struggle against terrorism. This was a stab in Russia's back by helpers of the terrorists," Mr Putin stated.

"Our pilots and our plane did not in any way threaten Turkey. It is quite clear," he added.

"They were carrying out an operation against [Islamic State militants] in the mountains of northern Latakia, where militants who originate from Russian territory are concentrated. So they were carrying the key task of preventative attacks against those who could return to Russia at any time."...
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plawolf

plawolf

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dtulsa said:
I can't see that happening no proximity fuses range concerns and if it did hit the chopper would be smoldering right now
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Depends where they hit the chopper.

ATGMs have shaped charge warheads. The can punch through a lot of armour, like they are designed to do, but sometimes have over-penetration problems when used against softer targets.

If the missile hit the engine or any critical structural areas, the helicopter is toast, but if it hit the cabin, the blast could have just punched a small hole right through without dealing the helicopter a fatal blow. The occupants of the cabin may be a very different matter.

If this claim is true, then the only scenario I can think of where a helicopter would be flying slow and low enough to be engaged with ATGMs is if it was hovering or landing to pick up a pilot.

It could be that the rebels machine gunned the pilot and then left his body out in the open while they waited in ambush for the CSR helos to come to retrieve the pilot's body.
 
SamuraiBlue

SamuraiBlue

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We are shown the incident here in Japan as well.
Looks as if Putin is bombing areas unrelated to IS since the place the Su-24 was shot down was on the coastal area near the Mediterranean which is anti-Assad rebel territory unrelated to IS.
Looks as if NATO and Russia is going their separate ways.
 
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