Chinese purchase of Su-35

[Engineer]

You have the source for that? I only remember one of the officials claiming that "we are very close to making an agreement".

I finally dug it up from this very thread. MiG-29 felt very vindicated back then. I wonder if he feels stupid now. That was back in 2012 and to this day we are still talking about signing contracts.
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-purchase-of-su-35.t5915/page-26#post-226953

 

[Jeff Head]

I skimmed over last three pages, didn't see this:

Russia, China sign contract worth over $2 billion for Su-35 fighter jets: source​

an industry source told Reuters...

A spokeswoman confirmed...

IMHO, these sentences regarding the sources, says it all.

We have heard these same types of confirmations for YEARS.

Sadly, it has become the old story of the boy that cried wolf regarding this deal.

As I have said before, when the PRC officially confirms this, I will believe it. not until.

 

[Jeff Head]

It's funny that whole bunch of doubters for SU35...

Give it a rest Tidalwave.

You have been here ten months so I will give you a small pass on this.

But do not presume or dare to ridicule people who have been watching these things and following them here for ten years and more. That kind of attitude will limit your days here.

Folks here are doubters because they have heard EXACTLY the same reports for 3+ years.

Get back to us when there is an official PRC announcement. I will welcome the news when it comes.

In the mean time do not presume to ridicule people here who are worthy of a lot more respect.

 

[b787]

IMHO, these sentences regarding the sources, says it all.

We have heard these same types of confirmations for YEARS.

Sadly, it has become the old story of the boy that cried wolf regarding this deal. As I have said before. When the PRC officially confirms this, then I will believe ti. not until.

this time is a true deal, it was confirmed by Rostec CEO, the only way it is a lie is if , Rostec chief Sergey Chemezov says he never said that.

Russia has found the first international buyer for its Sukhoi Su-35 multirole fighter jets. On Thursday, state-run Rostec

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that it had signed a deal with China after long negotiations. However, Rostec chief Sergey Chemezov clarified that the agreement doesn’t involve the production of Su-35s in China.

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[Jeff Head]

this time is a true deal, it was confirmed by Rostec CEO, the only way it is a lie is if , Rostec chief Sergey Chemezov says he never said that.

Yea...that type of logic has been used before. "This time it is the real deal."

As I said, when China officially announces it, I will believe it. Until then, I will view it as the same old same old.

This does not mean it is not...it just means they have gone to the well far too many time for me to accept their "word" for it. When the PRC announces the deal...I will believe it is so...and welcome the news.

At the same time, in my own opinion. the PRC does not "need" the SU-35. The only possible use I see for it to them at this stage is if there is lucrative technology sharing on the engine technology.

Time will tell...but for me, for now, it is simply another stupendous announcement by certain segments in Russia I am lumping in with all of their other stupendous announcements..

 

[b787]

Yea...that type of logic has been used before. "This time it is the real deal."

As I said, when China officially announces it, I will believe it. Until then, I will view it as the same old same old.

This does not mean it is not...it just means they have gone to the well far too many time for me to accept their "word" for it. When the PRC announces the deal...I will believe it is so.

I do not think you understand, previous announcements were different, most announcements said the contract is going to be signed, and they signed a memorandum of understanding with no official bidding.

No CEO of Rostec Russia was quoted saying we signed the agreement, believe me unless Sergey Chemezov says i never said that, the deal is 100% true.

Of course you can keep your skepticism, but i am sure this time it is true because Sergey Chemezov has not denied China bought it.

 

[Zool]

It's funny that whole bunch of doubters for SU35, yet they don't doubt about the S400 signing. To me the Pandora box has opened, S400, SU35, and next is the collaboration on SSN(single hull, and quieting tech) they are all part of the big picture.

For the record, this doubter has also expressed skepticism about a potential S400 Purchase as well, on the Army PLA SAM thread

To your point about a possible snails pace for J-11D induction, does a 24 aircraft purchase of Su-35 make sense to solve that hypothetical? Has the PLAAF's concern ever been about numbers? I think the respectable number of Chinese designed/built Flanker variants tells us that production and squadron numbers are not at issue here.

That leaves us with technology. J-20/31 well underway on the 5th Gen front. As just mentioned China has a strong indigenous Flanker industry which continues it's own version of block upgrades. J-10A/B/C chugging along...

So what could China want? Electronics or Engines. I'll wager it's not electronics given the state of each countries development in that field. So engines? Perhaps, although I believe WS-15 is moving along well and moreover I think a deal for engines would be just that. For engines.

As long as we keep getting these reports... for years now... it will continue to be a 50/50 wait and see. But with the passage of time it has made less and less sense. And the track record on comments about this being a done deal out of Russia has been abysmal. But let's see!

 

[b787]

MOSCOW, November 20. /TASS/. The first batch of Russia’s Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets will be supplied to China in 2016, a source in the system of military and technical cooperation told TASS on Friday.

"The first fighter jets will arrive for China in 2016," the source said.

It was reported on Thursday that Russia had signed a contract on the delivery of 24 Su-35 fighter jets to China. The deal is estimated at no less than $2 billion and also envisages the delivery of ground support equipment and reserve aircraft engines.

A source in the system of military and technical cooperation told TASS earlier on Friday that the contract would be implemented over the next there years.

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[Zool]

One more thought I had on this but neglected to include in above post: Russia is keen to secure Indian funding and orders for PAKFA after India has stepped back from the program. The timing of this Su-35 news is interesting as the Indian PM is due to visit Russia in December, where PAKFA and other defense procurement will be on the agenda. Could be pressure on the Indians and a boost to the Russian negotiating position. A possibility anyhow.

 

[Engineer]

One more thought I had on this but neglected to include in above post: Russia is keen to secure Indian funding and orders for PAKFA after India has stepped back from the program. The timing of this Su-35 news is interesting as the Indian PM is due to visit Russia in December, where PAKFA and other defense procurement will be on the agenda. Could be pressure on the Indians and a boost to the Russian negotiating position. A possibility anyhow.

I am confident that the recent news has nothing to do with Indian PM visiting Russia. If you read this thread from Page 1, you will see a deal for Su-35 gets "signed" in March and November every year.