ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

Jeff Head

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"Correspondent David Martin gets an unprecedented look inside the command center where the U.S. is conducting its air war against ISIS"

wow, did they learn something about pr from the Russians?
Are you serious?

No, to the contrary, I think it is the other way around.

Remember Desert Storm?

Remember Iraqi Freedom?

Remember the Bin Laden Raid?

...the many briefings and videos even from the air strikes in Syria as well.

The US has been show casing precision bombing for a long time. Literally hundreds of times on air.

I believe the Russians took a queue from that play book with their own recent efforts...not the other way around.
 
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found a moment ago, right now I can't watch the six-minutes video inside
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60 Minutes films live bombing of ISIS target
Correspondent David Martin gets an unprecedented look inside the command center where the U.S. is conducting its air war against ISIS
I watched this when it aired.

Pretty amazing.

BTW, this time the videos were of a live operation. This was not a video of something after the fact.

See:

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First hits are from a pair of Dutch F-16s, followed by the large 2,000 lb PGMs from the B-1.

Amazing, live videos.
 
in connection with my yesterday's posts
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/isis-isil-conflict-in-iraq-syria-thread.t6913/page-199#post-370930
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/isis-isil-conflict-in-iraq-syria-thread.t6913/page-199#post-370943
and the reactions to these, I found this article quite interesting:
Opinion: Russia’s Desert Storm Moment in Syria
Russia is having its Desert Storm moment in Syria. The near-daily release of Russian fighter cockpit videos and missiles being launched from Russian ships in the Caspian Sea is making millions of Russians feel proud and strong. For instance, on Oct. 21, Russian media reported that 53 strike sorties struck 72 “terrorist targets.” Oddly those same reports are even convincing some in the United States that Russia is somehow more effective in Syria than the United States and its allies.

Like many Americans in 1990–91, the autumn of 2001, and the spring of 2003, daily film clips fed to news outlets of guided bombs hitting targets on the front lines serves to boost the morale of the home audience. The public fascination with precision-guided weapons video, and videos of the first combat use of Tomahawk cruise missiles from Navy ships first took root in Desert Storm, and images of such precision and power left an impression that still lingers in the minds of many Americans. Twenty-six years later the use of combat footage to stir popular passions in Russia is an important secondary effect on which Vladimir Putin is capitalizing.

We — however — should not be so impressed. To the under-informed critics reacting to the Russian media onslaught with claims that the United States and Coalition allies are “doing nothing,” imagine if you will that the United States and Coalition released daily “best of” clips of airstrike footage from the battle against ISIS. In just the first six months of Coalition air operations against ISIS, which began in September 2014, CENTCOM reported there were 4,817 ISIS targets hit. During the Kobani campaign alone, this past August, the Coalition reportedly deployed 2830 weapons against ISIS targets.

A fair question stemming from this hypothetical point is, what would the average American think if fed a daily dose of guided-weapon footage from this battlefront for 15 straight months of operations against ISIS? While the current “we are not doing anything” critics might be stifled, there is no doubt that the American people would likely grow weary of the footage and begin to ask “with all of this precision and power why aren’t we winning?”

The answer of course is that airpower alone will not win this fight. But it has proved effective at helping competent forces on the ground, such as the Kurds, in the retaking of Kobani from ISIS. The Russians may enjoy similar seize-and-hold success if the Syrian government and Iranian forces supporting Assad can effectively fight anti-government and ISIS forces. But it will not be quick, cheap, or easy.

For instance, many in
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earlier this month “decisive.” I think that initial reaction was based more on the recognition that America’s 25 year monopoly on using long-range cruise missiles whenever and wherever we chose (e.g., Iraq 1990–2015, Sudan 1998, Serbia 1999, Afghanistan 1998 and 2001, Yemen 2009, and Syria 2014) has ended. A more pragmatic view of this is that Russia used a military capability that we’ve known they have had since the 1980s. Does using this particular means of delivering a kinetic warhead really change the game?

The American mind has long been conditioned to associate videos of cruise missile launches and laser guided bombs with the expectation of a quick and decisive “shock & awe” victory. In truth, these instruments of war are tactically effective in many cases, but never strategically decisive for us—nor will they be for Russia.

In the language of strategy the word decisive has a specific meaning. It is synonymous with pivotal events, such as Waterloo, Tsushima Straits or the use of the atomic weapons that brought Japan to surrender. Strategically decisive military actions end wars, or at least have a major impact on the direction of the war. As of this week, Russia’s actions have not altered the fractured battle lines in Syria. The various anti-Assad factions are still in control of the territories they held before the Russian airstrikes.

Sun Tzu, Karl Clausewitz, Alfred Mahan and other notable masters of war teach us that the tenets of strategy apply to all. This includes Russia. So, no matter how many one-handed pushups that Vladimir Putin can do, that does not make him, or his instruments of military power, immune to the immutable rules of strategy.
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, Russia has a reason to be in Syria. Syria is in Russia’s national interests, but that does not mean that achieving its goals will be easy, and Putin may soon discover this fact.

Russia may have earned a place at the table for bringing a political solution to Syria’s tragic condition, but this will take more than headlining the daily Russian sortie count and airstrike footage. As the United States has learned in every war since Vietnam, while our sustained and overwhelming tactical capabilities cannot be matched, a lasting and better peace is often elusive and difficult to obtain.
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attempting to update
... what caught my attention about the current situation, in several points:

1. around Aleppo the Regular Army hasn't been able yet to end the siege of the airbase called Kuweiris Airport

from what I read and saw, the Regular Army got closer:
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more to the south, but obviously related, the supply-road was cut
south of
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(from what I figured, the road runs just by the desert there)
...

here the reports are conflicting, from claiming a large offensive going on and repelling ISIL to the desert, to the defeat (and encirclement) of the Regular Army there ... I've seen pictures which show very clearly ISIL most recently destroyed several checkpoints in the area (and mutilated the bodies of the defenders)

... and it seems to hold, despite the CAS provided by the Russians (the most recent video I found:

3.
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I haven't seen anything specific, neither here:

... the attempt to take over what's left from
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so I presume nothing major happened there

and here:
LOL but now I started to wonder ... does anybody care?? tell me ...
I was taken by delft's comment then; in a minute I'll get back to it again
 
Your maps show very clearly that distinguishing between more and less moderate "rebels" doesn't make sense. :rolleyes:

delft, can you see the pattern here:
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you know, usually guys on Russian forums are not coy about who gets targeted most by the Russian Air Force
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despite the official videos designated as strikes against ИГИЛ
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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Russia's game plan is to destabilize any party that looks to have a realistic chance of supplanting Assad. ISIS is like the dog chasing a car, If they ever caught it they wouldn't know what to do with it. They would just run the place into a Mad Max film with terror training camps. Also they are limited look at Jura's map and you can see the ISIS territory is distanced from Assad controlled.
The Kurds just want to be left alone but only the Peshmerga and the northern IraqI Kurds represent a true military potential. The YPG is limited and primarily chasing ISIS out of there territory
The Rebels were routed form locals who were resisting the Assad Regime with Obama looking to back them. has time has gone by they have been infiltrated and usurped by AQ and AQ allies. They still however represent a faction that has a aim of establishing a somewhat stable political regime add to that the military aide they have received. This makes them the bigger fish. They are sitting on the edge of Regime territory that makes them a knife that threatens Assad.
Russia wants to weaken the key FSA territory then push Assad forces to break down and clean up to consolidate and set to work against ISIS.
 
Dunford Tells Senate Now is Time to Reinforce Iraqi Success Against ISIL
Following operations around Beiji and Ramadi, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said there is an opportunity to reinforce Iraqi success in the days ahead.

Marine Corps Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr. told the Senate Armed Services Committee today that the Defense Department has developed a number of options to capitalize on progress the Iraqis have made.

In Syria, though, the balance of forces favors the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, he said.

The committee hearing focused on the Middle East, and more specifically on operations against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

Last week, the chairman visited Iraq, Israel and Jordan, where he met with U.S. and local leaders. “I was extremely impressed with the focus and commitment of our sailors, soldiers, airmen and Marines,” he said.

Two Lines of Effort

Dunford told the committee that the coalition must reduce ISIL’s territorial control, destroy its warfighting capability, “and undermine its brand and aura of invincibility.” ISIL’s main attraction is its claim to be the new caliphate.

The two main efforts against the terror group are the air campaign and the train, advise and assist campaign. Airstrikes are intended to kill key leadership and fighters, interdict ISIL’s lines of communication and disrupt their sources of revenue -- primarily oil, the chairman said.

“The second critical element in the military campaign is to develop and support effective partners on the ground, to seize and secure ISIL-held terrain,” he said.

The general called ISIL a trans-regional threat requiring a broader strategy. “The immediate priority is to bear down on core ISIL across Iraq and Syria, simultaneously,” Dunford said. “The framework for the campaign is the same for Iraq and Syria but the conditions on the ground present unique challenges and opportunities.”

Efforts in Syria

Unlike the situation in Iraq, there is no partner on the ground in Syria. “No one is satisfied with our progress to date,” he said. “Moving forward, we must work with Turkish partners to secure the northern border of Syria. We must do all we can to enable vetted Syrian opposition forces willing to fight ISIL, and we must be more aggressive in strikes that will deny ISIL the access they have to oil revenue.”

The general said he supports changes in the train-and-equip effort in Syria. “We will be supporting groups who have already demonstrated the will to fight ISIL, and our support will be contingent upon their attacking objectives and meeting specific standards,” Dunford said. “We will look for opportunities to support vetted opposition groups in both the north and along the border with Jordan.”

The chairman praised the efforts of U.S. forces in the region under Army Maj. Gen. Mike Nagata. “Due to their efforts, we have a much better understanding of the operating environment and the opportunities,” he said. “We’ll be able to leverage their initiatives and lessons learned as we make course and speed corrections.”

Slow Progress in Iraq

“In Iraq, we’ve also been frustrated with the pace of operations,” Dunford said. “That said, there has been recent progress in Beiji, some movement around Ramadi, and the [Kurdish] Peshmerga have made progress in the north.”

Dunford stressed that the coalition must improve “how we leverage our intelligence capabilities and do more to cut the flow of foreign fighters.”

American leaders have expressed concern over Russia’s actions in Syria. Last month, press reports from Iraq seemed to indicate that Iraqi leaders wanted Russian airstrikes in their country. Dunford told the committee that he specifically asked Iraqi Prime Minister Haider Abadi and Defense Minister Khalid Ubaydi about the reports.

“I explained to them how difficult it would be for us to continue to provide support if the Russians were invited in to conduct airstrikes,” he told the senators. “And I was assured at every level that that wouldn’t be the case.”
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now I skimmed through a variety of comments related to this, you can add some more :)
 
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