ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

[Skye_ZTZ_113]

Uh,it doesn't sound like they're planning to fight Isis with those, sounds more like they're planning to fight the Syrian army.

Makes the Russian decision to have that lethal IADS around Latakia make all the more sense now doesn't it? IS certainly don't seem to use their tanks much, and they can't be foolish enough to do 'accidental' bombing runs when the RuAF is near......so what are they up to?

OT: I'm not an expert, but I can't help but feel that the Gen. Hostage is underselling the A-10 here. Especially given that it was meant to be up against you know SU tank armies with SPAAGs/short range AAs in far greater density than anyone else.

 

[Jeff Head]

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[delft]

The best scenario i see is for the Chinese Navy to launch its CJ-10 cruise missiles against ISIS/Rebels in Syria and Iraq through all available warships that are capable of launching CJ-10 and deployment of drones for recon. Also through equipping Iraqi and Syrian army with their new tanks.

In support of the notion of China employing cruise missiles in Iraq and Syria I found this:

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from which I cite:

On October 7, Sun Jianguo, Chinese deputy chief of General Staff of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, arrived Moscow to hold talks with his Russian counterparts over the topic of countering ISIS in Syria. Jianguo noted that the Russian airstrikes in Syria killed 82 militants of the “East Turkestan” terrorist organization banned in China. On October 14, Sun Jianguo visited Tehran to discuss the possibility of Chinese warships to use the Iranian waters to shell the ISIS positions in Syria and Iraq with ballistic missiles. They will move through the Inran’s air space.

I have no doubt "ballistic missiles" is a translation mistake for "cruise missiles". The missiles would then be given targets by the Baghdad center.

 

[delft]

Thinking on would that mean that ships belonging to a future escort flotilla would occasionally go to Iranian waters to launch cruise missiles and then be rearmed ( at sea? ) by the accompanying supply vessel?

 

[mr.bean]

In support of the notion of China employing cruise missiles in Iraq and Syria I found this:

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from which I cite:

I have no doubt "ballistic missiles" is a translation mistake for "cruise missiles". The missiles would then be given targets by the Baghdad center.

if this turns out to be true, then it will be historic for the PLA. first real military operation outside china in decades and first use of chinese cruise missiles! does Xi Dada have the guts to do this?

 

[janjak desalin]

Uh,it doesn't sound like they're planning to fight Isis with those, sounds more like they're planning to fight the Syrian army.

i doubt that.
i think that, now that the plan to destroy ISIL in Iraq and only degrade them when they move against 'moderates' and Kurds, in Syria, is being trumped [or, would that be 'putined'], some may not want the Su-25 to be seen as outperforming the A-10 in anti-ISIL operations. as ISIL, soon, will no longer be a viable option for threatening the Assad regime, it's now time to pull out all the stops and destroy them, everywhere.
notice, also, that the pace of operations in the Iraqi theater has increased, and drastically so, since Russia's entry into the Syrian theater. i wouldn't be, at all, surprised to observe a short-term strategy of trying to aggressively push ISIL out of western Irag and northeastern Syria and into central-eastern and central Syria, particularly into the Deir ez-Zor and Homs governorates. there, they might still pose a threat to the Iran, Russia, Syria coalition, albeit a limited and temporary one.
of course, the wisest strategy would be for all involved to seek to destroy ISIL in place.

 

[delft]

Just a thought: Would the way to use those cruise missiles be to send a nuclear submarine and relay targeting information from the Baghdad intelligence centre by way of one of the escort vessels in the Aden Gulf?

 

[Jura The idiot]

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I have no doubt "ballistic missiles" is a translation mistake for "cruise missiles". ...

really? technically speaking, China must have some "road-mobile Dongfeng" which launched from the west of China would hit targets, with multiple warheads, in Syria; such a strike should be much easier than using a DF-21D against an aircraft carrier doing 32 knots in the middle of a sea and applying countermeasures ... I wouldn't be surprised, and will tell you why:
as I indicated
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/isis-isil-conflict-in-iraq-syria-thread.t6913/page-170#post-367773
I've been watching the Caspian Sea Fleet for more than a year (Russian, like dozen of posts, but I also posted about Turkmenistan
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/turkey-military-news-reports-data-etc.t7329/page-2#post-341182
and have files for Azerbaijani, Kazakh), but it had never occurred to me it could launch a strike against targets in Syria ... until, of course, right after the attack LOL!

 

[plawolf]

Thinking on would that mean that ships belonging to a future escort flotilla would occasionally go to Iranian waters to launch cruise missiles and then be rearmed ( at sea? ) by the accompanying supply vessel?

I think if China were to launch cruise missile strikes, it would deploy a dedicated, separate flotilla for that task.

China will not give the haters an excuse to smear the good work they are doing with the anti-piracy patrols.

Although all this talk of China sending in warships to conduct cruise missile strikes seems a bit pre-mature and unlikely.

The 052Ds and maybe the latest 093s are the only PLAN ships known to be capable of being used effectively in such a mission. Both types are very new, so Beijing will be reluctant to send them out on such a high profile mission of minimal import for China so far away as their first mission.

They would prefer to give both types more time for the shake down cruises so the crews get fully trained up on all the new systems and capabilities these new ships offer, and also gives them more time to put the ships through their paces in home waters to test for faults or deficiencies and have those remedied.

It would be far more likely to be for an 052D to be part of the next anti-piracy patrol. If that happens, I am sure she will be packing cruise missiles, but I think those would be for insurance, only to be used in an emergency, and her primary mission would still be anti-piracy.

 

[Blitzo]

The 052Ds and maybe the latest 095s are the only PLAN ships known to be capable of being used effectively in such a mission. Both types are very new, so Beijing will be reluctant to send them out on such a high profile mission of minimal import for China so far away as their first mission.

You mean 093s, right?