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Naval Today said:
The US Coast Guard’s latest 418-foot National Security Cutter James (WSML 754) entered Boston Harbor August 3, 2015.

The James is the fifth of eight planned National Security Cutters – the largest and most technologically advanced class of cutters in the Coast Guard’s fleet.

The cutters’ design provides better sea-keeping, higher sustained transit speeds, greater endurance and range, and the ability to launch and recover small boats from astern, as well as aviation support facilities and a flight deck for helicopters and unmanned aerial vehicles.
These are beautiful and very modern, capable Coast Guard Cutters. The US will build eight of them, and James is the fifth.

Seems like just yesterday that the first US Coast Guard National Security Cutter, Legend Class, USCGC Bertholf, WSML-750, was launched.
 
that's very interesting
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For all the US Navy’s worldwide might, it’s painfully short on
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. The Pacific fleet in particular risks being “out-sticked” by
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. Today, the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations outlined a plan to fill that gap. The two competing options: an update of the old, reliable
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or the new
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.

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, a modified Air Force missile, should compete against an upgrade of
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to be the Navy’s next-generation Offensive Anti-Surface Warfare (OASuW) weapon,
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said today. The Navy would still buy LRASMs as an interim measure to meet the “urgent operational need” of Pacific Command, he said, but “the [long-term] follow-on to that, we will compete broadly.”

The Raytheon-built Tomahawk is famous for attacking stationary targets on land, but except for a short-lived anti-ship variant now out of service, it’s not been used against mobile or floating targets. That changed dramatically in January, when
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through a shipping container on the deck of a moving ship. (The test missile didn’t have a live warhead).

The tech-savvy Deputy Defense Secretary,
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, called the Tomahawk’s new capability a “
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” piece of the military’s new
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.

Auction told reporters at at the
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that he wants “a competition to get the best munition” possible. “What I would like to see happen is take those capabilities that we need and start inserting those into a Block IV [Tomahawk], and [compare that] to what we have with LRASM Increment 1, and have those two compete for the next-generation strike weapon,” Aucoin said. Block IV is the latest-generation Tomahawk with a new warhead and new datalinks, but it’s still limited — for now — to land targets.

“Competing LRASM and TASM [a Tomahawk Anti-Ship Missile] for the OASUW mission may be a really good idea,” said
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, a retired Navy commander and former top aide to the Chief of Naval Operations. “The Tomahawk is a good land-attack missile and has significantly improved its survivability with Block IV, [but] it isn’t as survivable as LRASM.” Against low-tech adversaries, that may not matter. Against a
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(A2/AD) defense, however, the enemy could
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more easily than incoming LRASMs, so you’d have to fire more Tomahawks to ensure the same result.

On the other hand, Clark continued, the Tomahawk cost less. It also has longer range and larger payload — indeed, so much so that it’s probably overkill against enemy warships, he said. (The Tomahawk’s designed to strike targets deep inland, which by definition are further away from US Navy warships than enemy ships at sea).

“I am generally in favor of smaller weapons with less standoff range that we could carry in larger numbers,” he said, since quantity has a quality all its own.

“Another option in the mix is [Norwegian firm]
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, which has about the same range and cost as LRASM” — about $2 million a missile — “but is already in production,” Clark added. “The only other options are land-attack missiles not yet adapted to [naval] surface warfare such as
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or much smaller, shorter-range missiles such as
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and
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.”

Clark recommends the Navy upgrade existing Tomahawks to the Block IV standard, plus the anti-ship capability. That would give commanders tremendous flexibility in using the same missile against either land or naval targets as needed, instead of having to allocate launch tubes exclusively to one mission or the other. “The Navy should then continue producing Tomahawk,” he said, “until the OASuW weapon, whichever wins, is developed and in production, instead of accepting a gap in surface-to-surface missile production,” as is the current plan. LRASM, meanwhile, should be made capable of attacking land targets as well as ships.

In the interests of flexibility, Clark also recommends upgrading the
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— designed to shoot down incoming enemy missiles and aircraft — so it can strike surface ships. (The Navy’s already adding GPS to SM-6 so it can hit land targets). The SM-6 is a highly sophisticated missile defense interceptor that costs $3.5 to $4 million, roughly twice as much as a LRASM or Kongsberg NSM, he said, so it wouldn’t be the first choice for an anti-ship shot, but it would give commanders one more option in a pinch.

Is the Navy pursuing an anti-ship SM-6? I asked Aucoin and his colleague
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, Chief of Naval Research.

“I don’t know if we can talk about it,” Aucoin said uncertainly. “I wouldn’t,” Winter said emphatically. We’ll take that for a “yes.”
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EDIT
I suppose this is related (from yesterday; found a moment ago):
New software flies high as US Navy, Raytheon complete Tomahawk flight test
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FORBIN

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Main advantage of LRASM he is a AGM-158 derivative yet used on USAF aircrafts while USAF don' t use the Tomahawk but AGM-86 as very long range LACM with her B-52H.
LRASM will be used by by B-1,
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, F-35C sure, A variant ? but later not before Bl 4 and surface ships which have the VLS MK-41, no planned for SSN.

USMC fighters don't have and need this type of missiles cause her main mission is close air support to ground troops.
 
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Jeff Head

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I expect that ultimately, the US Navy will have both LRASMs and Tomahawk Block IVs outfitted for ASM.

Having either at your disposal on a Burke, Tico, or on a Zumwwalt will give the commander tremendous flexibility.

On the LCS and FFs, they will likely (at least IMHO) get the NSM. I believe the NSM is a better fit for them...and the JSM version of the NSM is a great fit for the F-35s too.

Anyhow, if I were in the position to do so...that's what I would recommend.
 
I expect that ultimately, the US Navy will have both LRASMs and Tomahawk Block IVs outfitted for ASM.

...

there's an interesting opinion by a debater under the breakingdefence.com article I posted, saying something like the US should have both a cost-effective missile (against opponents with poor defenses) and a highest-tech missile, and assuming the land-attack option on both
 

thunderchief

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there's an interesting opinion by a debater under the breakingdefence.com article I posted, saying something like the US should have both a cost-effective missile (against opponents with poor defenses) and a highest-tech missile, and assuming the land-attack option on both

Theoretically it sounds good, but this would entail double logistic costs from R&D to training , maintaining and stockpiling munition . There are reasons why armed forces across the world prefer unified platforms, sometimes even sacrificing some of the capabilities .
 

Jeff Head

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there's an interesting opinion by a debater under the breakingdefence.com article I posted, saying something like the US should have both a cost-effective missile (against opponents with poor defenses) and a highest-tech missile, and assuming the land-attack option on both
The US is capable of having both.

For decades they had the Tomahawk and the Harpoon, even when the ASM Tomahawk was deployed.

Having them both is something the US could do...and, as I said, I kind of expect they will do.
 

FORBIN

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there's an interesting opinion by a debater under the breakingdefence.com article I posted, saying something like the US should have both a cost-effective missile (against opponents with poor defenses) and a highest-tech missile, and assuming the land-attack option on both
Same thing for ballistic missile thread, ABM are much more expensive as ennemy BM.

Compare the price for a Scud or derivative and a SM-3...as ennemy BM in more very difficult to destroy exactly the warhead and if you break the BM in two this can be frequently insufisant.

Much less expensive and more effective destroy the launchers in general but less politically correct :rolleyes: ;)
 
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