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Interesting read on the DBR for the Fords.

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Looks to be a cost/benefit calculation ...

I understand the cost
could save up to $120 million on the second ship
(but anyway it seems weird to me as this "saving" is just about one percent of the cost of the ship)
just can't see the benefit of
the Ford now will be the only ship in the fleet to operate the full system.
though ... could it be the article got it wrong?
 
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Brumby, Jeff, I think this is (somehow :) related to what you discussed in you recent posts here:
Admiral: Navy’s Surface Fleet Vulnerable to Attacks Without EW Upgrades
The Navy needs to upgrade electronic warfare technology faster on more of its surface ships because potential enemies are developing weapons designed to penetrate defensive systems on many U.S. cruisers and destroyers, service leaders said.

The service is now in the process of upgrading its existing SLQ-32 Surface Electronic Warfare Improvement Program, or SEWIP — an electronic warfare sensor now on many guided missile cruisers and destroyers.

SEWIP is designed to detect approaching threats, such as anti-ship cruise missiles in time for ship commanders to take defensive or protective actions. It is configured to provide early detection, signal analysis and threat warnings against a range of threats.

“We need to keep working on our electromagnetic spectrum but we need to also be able to counter the weapons that they build. I am buying as many SEWIPs as I can. The SLQ-32 is a little panel that looks like an old electronic TV set with panels on the front. We had SLQ-32s when I was a junior officer – on a lot of our ships and that is still what we have,” Vice Adm. Joseph Mulloy, Deputy Chief of Naval Operations, Integration of Capabilities and Resources, said Tuesday.

Ship-based electronic warfare is designed to detect electromagnetic signals from potential adversaries and provide counter-targeting and counter-surveillance technology. For example, the receiver, antenna and software built into the SEWIP system would help detect the presence of an incoming enemy missile, enemy radar or radio activity and aircraft or a surface vessel.

The Navy has already configured an Arleigh Burke-class guided missile destroyer, the USS Bainbridge, with what’s called Block 2 of its SLQ-32 SEWIP. However, many more upgraded systems are needed if surface ships are going to stay ahead of weaponry being developed by potential adversaries, Mulloy explained.

“The advantage of the SLQ-32 is fabulous in terms of having an ability to recognize signals and weapons. The problem we have is certain countries on the Eurasian land mass are building weapons that a SLQ-32 will not detect. If you are a cruiser or a destroyer and you do not get a SEWIP improved – you will never know when something bad is coming so you cannot deploy your decoys.”

While Mulloy did not specify the countries he was referring to or provide details regarding these new weapons, he did say they were being engineered as multi-seeker weapons coming in at supersonic speed.

“We need to keep working the R&D (research and development) so that we are buying as many as we can,” he added.

Mulloy emphasized that upgraded SEWIPs were being acquired for many of the Navy’s forward-positioned ships in strategic locations such as Japan and Rota, Spain.

The USS Bainbridge went through operational testing last year as the Navy acquired its first 24 Block 2 SEWIP units. The technology is being produced by Lockheed Martin in a deal that could be worth up to $147 million, Joe Ottaviano, SEWIP program director, Lockheed Martin, told Military.com.

“SEWIP is the Navy’s continued push to keep electronic warfare excellence ahead of the threat. It is an incremental set of upgrades to the SLQ-32 which was designed in the late 70s and deployed in the 80s. It gives the Navy the ability to upgrade and outpace the threat. It provides the ability to quickly upgrade processing as new threats come online and become more complex without overhauling the antenna,” Ottaviano said a few months ago.

The Block 2 SEWIP advancements include upgrades to the antenna and digital receiver, Ottaviano said. Block 2 upgrades also include the addition of new software engineered to ensure the system is equipped to recognize new, emerging threat signals.

“It provides the digital architecture so it can quickly upgrade and provide additional capability as threats increase in capability,” Ottaviano added.

The Navy plans to configure as many as 140 surface ships with Block 2 SEWIP technology, including carriers, cruisers, destroyers and amphibs, among others.

The hardware to the system consists of above and below deck components including a display screen and processing technology, he added.

The hardware may be configured differently depending upon the structure of a given ship, Ottaviano explained. For example, the EW antenna on the Navy’s new destroyer, the DDG 1000, is conformed to align with the ship’s hull.

Following SEWIP Block 2, the Navy plans to develop and acquire a Block 3 SEWIP electronic attack technology, Navy and Lockheed officials said. In addition to “listening” or passive electromagnetic detection, Block 3 will include the ability to transmit signals and potentially jam or disrupt enemy signals.
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Bernard

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I facepalmed myself



I understand the cost

(but anyway it seems weird to me as this "saving" is just about one percent of the cost of the ship)
just can't see the benefit of

though ... could it be the article got it wrong?

I don't care how much money they are saving with a $10-13 billion cost on a capital ship. Saving $120 million is a few drops in the bucket compared to the whole cost. Go with the best radar.
 

Brumby

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“The [Defense Science Board] concluded that the Department of Defense (DoD) has lost focus on electronic warfare at the programmatic and strategic level and should recreate the mechanisms needed to develop EW strategies, synchronize programs, and advise the Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense on EW matters,” Work wrote in the memo.
“The DSB recommends, and I concur, that we establish an oversight committee to address these shortfalls, especially at the points where EW and cyber are converging.”

The memo continues, noting that the committee’s “initial focus area will include EW strategy, acquisition, operational support, and security.”

The committee will be cochaired by Pentagon acquisition chief Frank Kendall and vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. James “Sandy” Winnefeld.

Kendall said at the same conference on Tuesday that the committee would not put one service in charge of electronic warfare, but rather it would ensure that all services have offensive and defensive EW capabilities that meet their particular needs.

“If you’re working in an electromagnetic environment, there’s a defensive side of electronic warfare as well as the offensive, or the jamming side if you will,” he said in response to an audience question.

Time will tell whether they can get this process going in the right direction as intended. Fundamentally, all the elements are there to make it happen :
(a) Leadership (new Defence Secretary Carter given his background) and the vision which I believe is driven by Deputy Secretary Work (as part of the Third Offset initiative)
(b)Organizationally the committee is structured at a very senior level to drive the discussions, direct focus, and to force changes in policies, development and acquisitions.
(c)The elevation of EW to a strategic level. This will fundamentally drive the conversation differently from the past. We should see the effect in terms of budgeting, strategic conversation, a common theme in development and emphasis.
(d)We should see, EW being part of a singular initiative across the joint services rather than each doing their own thing at a tactical and operationally level. We should see different programs being consolidated, and some dropped. We should also see more development on offensive EW and those that are disruptive technologies we will only see the end product after many years (as part of black programs).
 

Brumby

Major
I facepalmed myself



I understand the cost

(but anyway it seems weird to me as this "saving" is just about one percent of the cost of the ship)
just can't see the benefit of

though ... could it be the article got it wrong?

The savings is $180 million from the DBR cost of $500 million, which is a 36 % reduction in cost. In driving cost reduction in a program, the overall savings will come from either dropping some items or seeking alternatives as in this case. You can't take the whole program and judge one savings against the total but it should be based on a collective set of savings (like one of this) to drive total cost down.
 

Brumby

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I don't care how much money they are saving with a $10-13 billion cost on a capital ship. Saving $120 million is a few drops in the bucket compared to the whole cost. Go with the best radar.

Firstly the savings is $180 million and is still a lot of money. In determining what radar to use, the key question is cost effectiveness and not cost because any investment beyond requirements is unnecessary. In this case I don't know the capabilities of the DBR and its replacement and so this conversation is premised on some missing pieces. What I know is ship based radar is constrained by height and so whilst the DBR might be able to search further out there are blind spots which might be dependent on look down radars as available from the E-2D as part of the eyes of the carrier group. These are the stats from what I have read : OTH at sea is only about 20 kms because of curvature of the earth. The danger of cruise missiles is its ability to skim at sea level and therefore are undetectable. An E-2D at 25,000 feet is able to see up to 200 kms before curvature constrains it even though it has a detection range out to 556 km. Bottom line, the defensive range is less than the effective range of the sensors. Pushing the range of sensors further out with a better radar might be redundant effort especially a carrier has E-2's.
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Half Of Shipbuilders ‘1 Contract Away’ From Bust: Stackley
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on March 18, 2015 at 3:26 PM
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The nuclear carrier USS Ford (CVN-78) under construction at Newport News Shipbuilding.

WASHINGTON: “About half” of the
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are “one contract away” from leaving the business,
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told the Senate today. After decades of decline due to foreign competition, the US shipbuilding industry has become so fragile and so dependent on government contracts that the Navy is taking unprecedented and
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to share out the work.

“We have several shipyards in our industrial base that are in a very fragile position,” Assistant Secretary of the Navy
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told the Senate Armed Services subcommittee on seapower this morning. “We have eight shipyards currently building US Navy ships, and of those eight shipyards, about half of them are about a single contract away from being what I would call ‘not viable.’ In other words, the workload drops below the point at which the shipyard can sustain the investment that it needs to be competitive [and the skilled labor force it needs to function], so they would quickly find themselves outside of the market.”

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Sean Stackley (left) and Vice Adm. Joseph Mulloy (right)

The two yards that build nuclear-powered vessels are not at risk, Stackley emphasized. That would be General Dynamics’
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in Connecticut, which builds nuclear submarines, and Huntington-Ingalls Industries’ yard at
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, Virginia, which builds not only subs but nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. Those two yards are the only possible builders for the Navy’s top priority programs: the $11 billion to $13 billion
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, the $2.7-billion
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, and, as of 2021, the $5.2 billion
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ballistic missile submarine. If anything, Stackley said, “they’re in a very strong position. In fact, they have
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coming their way.”

Nor did Stackley sound too worried about the pair of small yards that build the Littoral Combat Ship,
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in Alabama and
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in Wisconsin. The Navy is committed to building 52 Littoral Combat Ships of various variants — 20 of them
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— and has consistently
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is a contract away,” Stackley said of the San Diego shipyard. “They are in peril.” The survival of the General Dynamics-owned yard requires winning either the first half-dozen of the Navy’s new oilers, supply ships designated T-AO(X), or the big-deck amphibious warship LHA-8, he said. But so does the survival of Huntington-Ingalls’ second shipyard,
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in Mississippi: “If Ingalls does not get one of those two major programs, they are at risk.”

Trying to keep both yards in business, while maintaining some semblance of competition to keep down costs, has driven the Navy to a bizarre bundling of contracts. Since NASSCO traditionally build support ships, not warships, while Ingalls builds destroyers and most amphibs, the simple solution would be to allocate the oiler to NASSCO and the amphib to Ingalls. Instead, the Navy is having both yards bid on both ships — along with the right to design a future amphib called LX(R), itself a derivative of the Ingalls LPD-17 class — while keeping other yards out. “We’re going to limit competition to the two shipbuilders that we believe are absolutely essential to our industrial base,” Stackley said.

“That is a strange arrangement… I’m not aware of a past contract that has bundled dissimilar ships like that,” said industry analyst and consultant Loren Thompson. “I frankly don’t understand the acquisition strategy.”

Thompson doesn’t think Ingalls is all that fragile, either. “Ingalls has really done everything right,” he told me. It’s invested heavily in new technology. It’s taken over naval work from its sister yard in
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, Louisiana, which now only does commercial projects. And it builds two kinds of warships, amphibs and destroyers, which by shipyard standards is pretty diversified.

In fact, Thompson told me, “I tend to view Ingalls as a stronger shipyard than Newport, even though it’s not nuclear capable, because it’s the newest shipyard in the Western Hemisphere, and it’s got strong support from the local congressional delegation.”

As for NASSCO, Thompson and other observers wonder aloud if it can even build an amphibious ship, something far more complex than the supply ships it’s done in the past. Navy officials repeatedly insist that San Diego yard is raring to go. “NASSCO’s pretty excited [about] the chance to bid on that amphib,” said
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, the Deputy Chief of Naval Operations for resources, in a typical statement at yesterday’s McAleese Associates/Credit Suisse conference.

So Ingalls getting the amphib and NASSCO the oilers isn’t a foregone conclusion, the Navy argues. Conversely, if the two ships were competed separately, this logic suggests that one yard could win both, a dangerous blow-out for the loser. The outcome would get even more unpredictable if a third yard were allowed to bid. “If we [did] open competition and soliciting these one at a time, there’s tremendous uncertainty about what the outcome would be,” Stackley told the subcommittee. “Awarding one at a time… puts one of the shipbuilders at risk.”

So complexly intertwined are the fates of the different shipyards that every time Ingalls gets an extra amphibious ship, the Navy has to look at giving additional destroyer work to Bath Iron Works in Maine. That derives from a 13-year-old agreement between the Navy and the yards to balance work between them so as to keep both alive. (“In 2002, both shipyards were in peril,” Stackley said).

While it’s still undecided whether Ingalls gets LHA-8, it is definitely getting
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, an additional amphib added to the budget under pressure from Congress. The Navy is looking at “what would be commensurate at BIW to balance that out,” Stackley said. Since LPD-28 won’t be formally awarded until late next year, he said, “we have time and tools available to balance out that agreement with both shipyards.”

(For those of you following along at home, you’re right, this adds up to seven shipyards — Austal, Bath, Electric Boat, Ingalls, Marinette, NASSCO, and Newport — not eight. After several experts we asked scratched their heads, Navy public affairs dug up the missing eighth:
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in Pascagoula, which builds T-AGS oceanographic survey ships).

Is this elaborate balancing really all necessary? Or is Stackley being a little alarmist when he says half the shipyards are on living on the brink?

“Stackley is the sharpest acquisition exec that any service has had for a long time,” Thompson said. “He is simply stating the reality the number of warships the Navy buys is relatively low and even the biggest yards are dependent on programs that can’t tolerate
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another "great" news:
Navy’s Next Generational Nuclear Submarine Fund Has No Money
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and Congress have yet to find money for a newly created account designed to pay for the services’ fleet of next-generation nuclear-armed ballistic missile submarines slated to begin service in 2031 –
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.

The special fund is a product of the concern from lawmakers and admirals that the cost of the Ohio Replacement program would bankrupt the rest of the Navy’s shipbuilding budget.

As a result, the 2015 National Defense Authorization Act established the National Sea-Based Deterrence Fund – a special account created specifically to fund the Ohio Replacement program. However, Congress has yet to assign any funding to the account.

“We need to have some processes in place in order to make sure you are ready to go and there is money in this fund,” Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, said Wednesday at a Senate Armed Services Committee’s Navy shipbuilding hearing.

Service leaders told lawmakers there are not enough funds in the services’ shipbuilding accounts to move any over into the new fund for the Ohio Replacement.

“We need to work with you all (Congress) to put this fund to work. Right now it is a framework without funding in it. What was authorized was to use other funds from shipbuilding to go into the Sea Based Deterrence Fund,” said Navy acquisition executive Sean Stackley. “Today, we don’t have other funds from shipbuilding to move into that fund –particularly to the magnitude needed for the Ohio Replacement program.”

Slated to serve through 2085, the Ohio Replacement program, a so-called SSBN, is scheduled to begin construction by 2021. Requirements work, technical specifications and early prototyping have already been underway at General Dynamics Electric Boat.

Designed to be 560-feet–long and house 16 Trident II D5 missiles fired from 44-foot-long missile tubes, Ohio Replacement submarines will be engineered as a stealthy, high-tech nuclear deterrent.

Production for the lead ship in a planned fleet of 12 Ohio Replacement submarines is expected to cost $12.4 billion — $4.8 billion in non-recurring engineering or development costs and $7.6 billion in ship construction, the plan states.

The Navy hopes to build Ohio Replacement submarine numbers two through 12 for $4.9 billion each.

Detailed design for the first Ohio Replacement Program is slated for 2017. The new submarines are being engineered to quietly patrol the undersea domain and function as a crucial strategic deterrent, assuring a second strike or retaliatory nuclear capability in the event of nuclear attack.

Vice Adm. Joseph Mulloy, deputy chief of Naval Operations, Integration of Capabilities and Resources, explained that undersea nuclear deterrence also relies on communication with the
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– a militarized version of the Boeing’s 707 civilian airliner that serves as a command and control platform for the Navy’s ballistic missile submarine fleet.

“We have 15 of them and they fly airborne national command post missions and they relay strategic communication from the President to the SSBNs in time of emergency,” Mulloy said.

The Navy’s most recent 30-year shipbuilding plan, called the “Report to Congress on the Annual Long-Range Plan for Construction of Naval Vessels for FY2015,” breaks required funding for future ships into three ten-year blocks.

The plan specifies that the Navy will need to increase from $17.2 billion per year to $19.7 billion per year, in 2014 dollars, for shipbuilding from 2025 through 2034 due to the expected production of the Ohio Replacement Program.

The Navy is only building 12 Ohio Replacement submarines to replace 14 existing
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nuclear-armed boats because the new submarines are being built with an improved nuclear core reactor that will better sustain the submarines, officials have said.

As a result, the Ohio Replacement submarines will be able to serve a greater number of deployments than the ships they are replacing and not need a mid-life refueling in order to complete 42 years of service.

Electric Boat and the Navy are already progressing on early prototype work connecting missile tubes to portions of the hull, officials said. Called integrated tube and hull forging, the effort is designed to weld parts of the boat together and assess the ability to manufacture key parts of the submarine before final integration.

In 2012, General Dynamics Electric Boat was awarded a five-year research and development deal for the Ohio Replacement submarines with a value up to $1.85 billion. The contract contains specific incentives for lowering cost and increasing manufacturing efficiency, Navy and Electric Boat officials said.

U.S. Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., told Military.com he would like to see a special defense budget line item created for the Ohio Replacement Program so that the strategically vital effort was not formally part of the Navy’s shipbuilding budget.

Forbes, who chairs the House Armed Services Committee’s Seapower and Projection Forces Subcommittee, praised the creation of the National Sea Based Deterrence Fund but said progress still has to be made.

“We’ve started with a special fund and that is the first step, I think. One of the big things is we have to get that out of being a line-item in the shipbuilding budget and make it a defense line item overall because that is a national strategic concern that we are going to just have to meet,” he said.

Forbes has also talked often of a $4 billion annual shipbuilding budget shortfall, meaning the amount of money needed to accommodate the Navy’s plan is well short of the dollars actually spent on shipbuilding. This is something Forbes would like to see addressed in future budget determinations.
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Delta Battery, 5th Battalion, 7th Air Defense Artillery Regiment is participating in the weeklong exercise - a series of activities within the framework of Operation Atlantic Resolve, which aims to reassure allies, demonstrate freedom of movement and deter regional aggression on the eastern flank of NATO.
Delta Battery will train with its Polish counterparts in the 37th Missile Squadron of Air Defense, testing the Patriot crew's proficiency as well as conducting movement drills which practice the quick emplacement of the air defense systems.
The
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is a sophisticated ground-to-air guided missile defense system in use world-wide including several NATO countries. The role of the Patriot is to defend against airborne threats with a short response time and the ability to engage multiple targets simultaneously.
"Being in Poland provides our Soldiers an enormous training opportunity and 10th AAMDC is committed to this cooperative effort with our Polish allies," said Col. Greg Brady, commander, 10th AAMDC. "This exercise also highlights our high state of readiness by demonstrating our rapid deployment capability to defend strategic assets within the alliance."
Delta Battery, 5-7 Air Defense Artillery brought nearly 100 Soldiers, and approximately 30 vehicles including a complete Patriot battery system. The exercise will take place with Polish air defenders outside of Warsaw, Poland.
"Partnerships like this benefit 5-7 Soldiers and allow us to be ready anytime we're needed," said Capt. Jason Bryant, commander, Delta Battery. "I'm confident in the missile defense skills of my Soldiers and our Polish friends as we've trained with them many times throughout recent years."
Poland and the United States began air defense cooperation in the late 1990s before Poland's entry into NATO. This included establishment of a partnership by 1999 with Poland's 3rd Air Defense Brigade and U.S. Army Europe's air defense units. Air and missile defense cooperation has intensified in recent years and continues with this exercise.
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5th Battalion, 7th Air Defense Artillery Regiment the only based in Europe is reinforced get 30 TEL in 5 battery, normaly 4 by Battalion with 24 TEL.
 
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