Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

Jeff Head

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Looks to me like they are trying to get the [mostest for the leastest] in which case they are going to get exactly that if these things are actually used in conflict ...

The only other thing is that may there is some improvements to sea ram as in range and lethality that we don't know about as yet say bout 12-15 mile range for without a reasonable stand off air defense capability they will always have to operate under a air umbrella. And doesn't sea ram in its current form only carry 12 missiles not all that many when facing a well armed and trained air opponent is it?
SeaRam carriers 11 missiles.

Ram carries 21.

As the details come out, I have to say it looks like they will have no VLS, and therefore no ESSM or any longer range anti-air capability.

They are calling the SeaRAM an upgrade because of its standalone capability with the Phalanx targeting...but IMHO, this only means they are avoiding the cost of longer range air engagement sensors and limiting their magazine to the 11 missiles. Completely inadequate for anything other than very close-in defense of the vessel itself...and then still limited to the one launcher and 11 missiles.

I am dissappointed.

It is good that they are getting the other things standard, like the eight ASMs which will be OTH, the TAS, the two probable Mk 38 mod 2 weapons or something like it, etc. The OTH ASM missiles mentioned are Harpoons which is fine for now...but does not build in the longer term capability an Mk-41 would have given (like for LRASM).

So, these new SSCs will be multi-role out of the chute, they will be able to do the ASW mission, and will be able to engage adequately peer surface combatants, and will have fair close-in anti-air self defense capabilities. But they will not have any medium range anti-air and so no layered coverage or ability to defend anything they escort in terms of AAW.

When you compare these for example to the OHP FFGs of their day, those vessels did have a layered defense with both Standard Missiles and Phalanx, they fired Harpoon missiles, had a 76mm gun and the ASW capabilities.

For a comparitive look, the SSC is a pretty big step back from the OHP in terms of basic functionality and capability. Better than what the LCS would have been...but still short of the mark IMHO. I suppose they will retrofit the ASMs and some of the other capabilities (outside of whatever hardening and strengthening these vessels will have as they are built for the heavier combat capabilities) to the existing LCS vessels...but they could have always done that.
 
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Second LCS deployment to Singapore
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In few years 4 homeported there.

The USS Ft. Worth, LCS-3 is helping in the search for the downed commercial aircraft.

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USS Ft. Worth Page said:
YOKOSUKA, Japan (NNS) -- USS Fort Worth joins USS Sampson (DDG 102), which has been on station since Dec. 29.

Fort Worth is the littoral combat ship (LCS) on a rotational deployment to the U.S. 7th Fleet and brings maneuverability, speed and a shallow draft, which allows her to conduct expeditious visual and radar searches in a congested, shallow water environment. Fort Worth is also outfitted with a MH-60R helicopter as well as two 11-meter rigid hull inflatable boats (RHIB) to further maximize efforts.

"We offer our sincerest condolences to the family and friends of those affected by this terrible tragedy," said Cmdr. Kendall Bridgewater, USS Fort Worth Crew 104 commanding officer. "Having just left Jakarta, Indonesia last week, the USS Fort Worth will assist the Indonesian government in any way possible."

USS Sampson has assisted with searches since she arrived on station Dec. 29. The crew recovered several bodies Jan. 1 and Jan. 2. The remains were treated with all respects to religious customs and sensitivities and all 12 bodies were transferred via the ship's MH-60R helicopters to Indonesian authorities at Iskander Air Base in Pangkalan Bun, Indonesia.

Both ships will remain on station as long as their assistance is helpful to the Indonesian-led multinational search effort.
 

Jeff Head

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Jura said:
kinda "LCS - peacetime, AB - wartime" argument:

Well the name, LCS, stands for "Littoral Combat Ship,"...so clearly it is meant to be a warship and for combat...not a "peace time," ship.

IMHO, it is a foolish argument. If it was exclusively peace time, it would not be a combat ship...and if they are thinking about relegating so many vessels to "peace time," operations only, then they are admitting a colossal mistake.

But they are not. The LCS, even with its rocky start, some mistakes (and what large system does not have them?) and the necessary changes, will ultimately be a decent surface combatant and will be sent in harm's way in the littorals when necessary.[/QUOTE]
 
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sort of the LCS (and SSC) summary
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contains:
But many observers were expecting more. There is no vertical launch system — a key system that could be adapted for a variety of weapons, compared with single-purpose external launchers.
and
"It is a program that has been in trouble from its beginning, and had significant cost overruns," McCain told Defense News Jan. 7. "And it will be the subject of significant scrutiny and oversight in the coming year."
 

Brumby

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kinda "LCS - peacetime, AB - wartime" argument:
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It is simply a High/Low end force structure that the USN has and in a plane search mission set in the littorals, it is very appropriate that the LCS be tasked in performing and should perform well in it. This would free up the Aegis type destroyer to perform other high end task in which it is more suited to perform. As we see more of the LCS being introduced, we should see a more balance assignment of resources relative to mission needs.
 
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