Chinese Economics Thread

xiabonan

Junior Member
Consider a scenario in a relatively open and capitalist market, something like... China.

BYD R&D spends tens of million RMBs and invents a new battery for electric cars that extends range and shortens charging time. BYD now has a new competitive edge.

Chevy Volt of Shanghai "copies" BYD battery technology and follows suit, resulting in BYD losing its competitive edge due to the fact Chinese consumers prefer foreign brands (think Buick).

Questions for you, Xiabonan: do you see a problem with Chevy copying BYD without licensing? Should there be some IP protection for BYD's innovation? And if so, do you think that IP protection should only cover China, or should it cover wherever GM/Chevy does business?

Of course I recognize the importance of IP protection. This is the driver for innovation.

However, do take note that I used quotation marks for copy. What I was trying to say is actually "immitating".
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Xiaomi put 100,000 Redmi 1S smartphones on one of India's e-commerce site, and they sold out in 4 seconds. FOUR SECONDS??? I must buy some Xiaomi stocks!

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And you thought iPhones were popular. At 2 p.m. on Oct. 14, Xiaomi put 100,000 of its Redmi 1S smartphones up for sale in India, using local e-commerce site Flipkart to sell them, unsubsidized, for 5,999 rupees ($98) apiece. Within four seconds the phones sold out. Such Flipkart flash sales have become weekly events since China’s Xiaomi entered India in July. “It’s the most important market for us after China,” says Hugo Barra, the Google (GOOG) alumnus now in charge of Xiaomi’s international expansion. Indians “are without a doubt the most demanding users that we have encountered.”

Consumers in India bought 44 million smartphones last year, close to 200 percent more than they did the year before. Four-year-old Xiaomi, which sells the most popular smartphones in China, has made 2014’s splashiest entrance into India’s phone market. Other companies have also sought to gain market share, especially in the peak holiday shopping season leading up to the nationwide Diwali festival on Oct. 23. Huawei (002502:CH) began selling its Honor Holly smartphone on Flipkart for $115 on Oct. 16. Motorola, which Lenovo (992:HK) has agreed to buy from Google, had 5 percent of the market in the second quarter, up from almost nothing a year ago, thanks to sales of its Moto G ($164 on Flipkart). Models from Chinese phone makers Gionee and Oppo start at $86 and $130, respectively.

These are fresh problems for India’s longtime smartphone leader, Samsung (005930:KS). The South Korean company recently lost its No. 1 position in China to Xiaomi. Samsung finished 2013 with 34 percent of the Indian smartphone market, well ahead of local brands Micromax and Karbonn, according to market-research group IDC. Six months later, Samsung’s share was down to 29 percent as cheaper Chinese brands and other manufacturers chipped away at its lead. The low-cost Chinese phones selling out on Flipkart aren’t top of the line, but they’re better than the prices suggest: 3G-capable, solid processor, decent camera, and barely adequate but expandable memory. (A Redmi 1S starts with 8 gigabytes of storage, but cheap SD cards can bring its total to 64 GB.) “It’s the invasion of good-enough devices,” says IDC analyst Bryan Ma.

On Oct. 7, Samsung announced its quarterly global sales had dropped about 20 percent, and operating profit plunged 60 percent to 4.1 trillion won ($3.9 billion). That’s due in large part to other phone makers undercutting the South Korean company in China and India—an indication that an era of Samsung’s ascendance is waning, says Yoo Eui Hyung, an analyst in Seoul with Dongbu Securities. “We can no longer expect significant growth from the [smartphone] business,” he says.

The longtime leader says it’s not worried about falling market share. “We continue to hold the volume and value-share leadership,” says Asim Warsi, Samsung India’s vice president for mobile and IT. “Samsung rules the mobile handset market.” Ma says the company’s best chance is to eliminate the slight premium it charges in India and try to match its new rivals on price. If Samsung “really wanted to duke it out, they could,” says Ma.

Another option may come from Google, which this year has exacerbated Samsung’s India troubles. Google chose India as the first market for cheap Android One smartphones that can spread its footprint, working initially with local brands Micromax, Karbonn, and Spice. (All three models sell for about $100.) The next Android One smartphones in India will include models from China’s Lenovo and Taiwan’s Acer (2353:TT) and Asus (2357:TT), says Caesar Sengupta, who heads Android One development at Google. What about Samsung? “We have talked about Android One with them, but they have yet to join the program,” Sengupta says. If Samsung leadership is interested, “They will be most welcome to join.”
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
The Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank went forward today, without ROK, Indonesia, and Australia. Sadly, by leading the opposition, and preventing the three interested countries from signing up, US missed a good opportunity to engage China and perhaps even reduce strategic distrust by a micron or two. Another nail in Sino-American relations, but this one administered by Washington and not Beijing.

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SHANGHAI (Reuters) - Australia, Indonesia and South Korea skipped the launch of a China-backed Asian infrastructure bank on Friday as the United States said it had concerns about the new rival to Western-dominated multilateral lenders.

China's $50 billion Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) is seen as a challenge to the World Bank and Asian Development Bank, both multilateral lenders that count Washington and its allies as their biggest financial backers.

China, which is keen to extend its influence in the region, has limited voting power over these existing banks despite being the world's second-largest economy.

The AIIB, launched in Beijing at a ceremony attended by Chinese finance minister Lou Jiwei and delegates from 21 countries including India, Thailand and Malaysia, aims to give project loans to developing nations. China is set to be its largest shareholder with a stake of up to 50 percent.

Indonesia was not present and neither were South Korea and Australia, according to a pool report.

Japan, China's main rival in Asia and which dominates the $164 billion Asian Development Bank along with the United States, was also not present, but it was not expected to be.

Media reports said U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry put pressure on Australia to stay out of the AIIB.

However, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said:

"Secretary Kerry has made clear directly to the Chinese as well as to other partners that we ‎welcome the idea of an infrastructure bank for Asia but we strongly urge that it meet international standards of governance and transparency.

"We have concerns about the ambiguous nature of the AIIB proposal as it currently stands, that we have also expressed publicly."

In a speech to delegates after the inauguration, Chinese President Xi Jinping said the new bank would use the best practices of the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank.

"For the AIIB, its operation needs to follow multilateral rules and procedures," Xi said. "We have also to learn from the World Bank and the Asian Development Bank and other existing multilateral development institutions in their good practices and useful experiences."

PERSONAL LOBBYING

The Australian Financial Review said on Friday that Kerry had personally asked Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott to keep Australia out of the AIIB.

"Australia has been under pressure from the U.S. for some time to not become a founding member of the bank and it is understood Mr Kerry put the case directly to the prime minister when the pair met in Jakarta on Monday *following the inauguration of Indonesian President Joko Widodo," the paper said.

South Korea, one of Washington's strongest diplomatic allies in Asia, has yet to say it will formally participate in the bank. Its finance ministry said last week it has been speaking with China to request more consideration over details such as the AIIB's governance and operational principles.

"We have continued to demand rationality in areas such as governance and safeguard issues, and there's no reason (for Korea) not to join it," South Korean Finance Minister Choi Kyung-hwan said in Beijing on Thursday.

The Seoul-based JoongAng Daily quoted a South Korean diplomatic source as saying: "While Korea has been dropped from the list of founding members of the AIIB this time around, it is still in a deep dilemma on what sort of strategic choices it has to make as China challenges the U.S.-led international order."

The AIIB is expected to begin operations in 2015 with senior Chinese banker Jin Liqun, ex-chairman of investment bank China International Capital Corp, expected to take a leading role.

Last month, China's finance ministry said Australia and South Korea had expressed interest in the AIIB.

On Thursday, the Asian Development Bank (ADB) chief said he did not welcome a China-backed rival bank that will have a virtually identical aim.

"I understand it, but I don't welcome it," said bank president Takehiko Nakao. "I'm not so concerned."

The ADB, created in 1966, offers grants and below-market interest rates on loans to lower to middle-income countries. At the end of 2013, its lending amounted to $21.02 billion.

China has a 6.5 percent stake in the ADB, while the United States and Japan have about 15.6 percent each.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
The Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank went forward today, without ROK, Indonesia, and Australia. Sadly, by leading the opposition, and preventing the three interested countries from signing up, US missed a good opportunity to engage China and perhaps even reduce strategic distrust by a micron or two. Another nail in Sino-American relations, but this one administered by Washington and not Beijing.

I agree and....

Mace made an excellent comment here http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members-club-room/chinese-general-news-resource-thread-6849.html#post311101
 

xiabonan

Junior Member
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Mark Zuckerburg and Tim Cook meeting Wang Qishan.

Judging from the happy face of Mark maybe Facebook will soon be unblocked in China or something? HAHA
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Xiaomi put 100,000 Redmi 1S smartphones on one of India's e-commerce site, and they sold out in 4 seconds. FOUR SECONDS??? I must buy some Xiaomi stocks!

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Sounds like some middle man in India is hording all the Xiaomi Redmi 1S smartphones to be resold later at higher prices of course.:p
 

Blackstone

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Is the editor of The Economist's China Desk on leave? There's a surprisingly positive article on Chinese smartphone and product innovations that's missing its usual condescending flair.
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IF YOU want to understand how China innovates, look no further than its hyper-competitive market for smartphones. Though Samsung and Apple dominate the business globally, the technology superpowers are being squeezed in China by aggressive local manufacturers. Now Chinese firms are selling their handsets abroad in ever-greater numbers and a battle is set to be fought that will reshape the global marketplace for handsets.

China’s smartphone-makers have a ready launchpad. Thanks to the frugal but feature-rich offerings from local firms, domestic sales have exploded. Over 100m smartphones were sold in the second quarter, accounting for over a third of global sales and making China the world’s largest market. Strikingly, eight of the top ten vendors were local firms. Xiaomi, a startup that only sells online, shot past Samsung to become the leading brand of smartphones in the country. After selling 15.4m in the second quarter (see chart), the firm is on track to peddle 60m handsets this year, and wants to sell 100m in 2015.

The rise of the inexpensive smartphone is a boon for Chinese consumers, many of whom are going online for the first time. However, Chinese firms are no longer content to scrap for a share of the spoils at home. They are increasingly eyeing lucrative foreign markets.

With much fanfare, Xiaomi launched in India in July. It did so in partnership with Flipkart, a leading local e-commerce firm. Xiaomi’s handsets are now also available in most of South-East Asia and the firm plans to sell in Brazil next. Though it does not officially sell its phones in America, GPS patterns suggest that around 1m of its snazzy handsets have been detected in the country. As foreigners find it hard to pronounce its name, Xiaomi has even grabbed the website mi.com, perhaps to rebrand itself overseas as “Mi”.

Another local firm on the move is OnePlus. Reviewers in developed markets have been raving about its clever handsets, which offer top-notch performance and features for around $300—less than half the list price of the latest iPhone. Carl Pei of OnePlus argues that unlike its rivals, his firm was “born a global company”. Since its founding late last year, it has targeted 16 countries—including such challenging markets as America and Britain. “It helps that a lot of people don’t know that we are a Chinese firm,” he confides.

Adding to the advance are those Chinese firms that have long been global, even if they are relatively new to the smartphone business. Huawei has sold unbranded “white label” handsets to telecoms carriers for a while, but is now keenly pushing its own Ascend and Honor brands. Lenovo has spent $2.9 billion to acquire Motorola Mobility, Google’s handset division, which dramatically expands its reach in North and South America. It, too, has announced plans for a line of smartphones to be sold only on the internet.

Rumours resurfaced this week that Lenovo might even buy BlackBerry, an ailing Canadian handset-maker. That seems unlikely as it makes little sense for a rising star to join hands with a sinking firm: Lenovo already turns a profit on the phones it sells outside China. Moreover, concerns that the Chinese government uses local tech companies to spy—unproven claims that prompted America’s Congress to blacklist Huawei and ZTE, another Chinese telecoms-equipment firm—might prompt Canadian regulators to block any deal.

They are emerging in force, but how will Chinese firms fare outside their sheltered home market? Some observers are sceptical, dismissing Chinese technology firms as shameless copycats incapable of innovation—the beneficiaries of a dodgy legal system that allows local firms to infringe international patents and keeps out world-class foreign competition. Google services, including the app store for its popular Android operating system, are effectively blocked in China.

Jonathan Ive, Apple’s lead designer, gave succour to the naysayers with recent comments dismissing Xiaomi’s designs as derivative: “it really is theft and it’s lazy and I don’t think it’s OK at all”, he complains. Some things about Xiaomi are clearly borrowed from Apple, from its sleek designs and pleasing user interface to the Jobsian jeans-and-black-top presentations given by Lei Jun, the firm’s charismatic founder (see picture).

A serious threat to Chinese firms as they head overseas is lawsuits from Apple and Samsung, who themselves have long been entangled in nasty battles over intellectual property (IP). Ben Qiu of Cooley, an American law firm, believes that “Xiaomi is in dangerous waters of potential patent-infringement claims on the international markets.” But he argues that the firm’s clever management team, which includes former Google executives, can navigate these perilous seas because it is well prepared for legal and regulatory battles.

He points out that Tencent, a Chinese internet giant, expanded abroad successfully in part because its general counsel is a seasoned Silicon Valley lawyer. In addition to lawyering up, Chinese handset-makers must also build up arsenals of licences from existing patent holders. To sell phones in rich countries (which, unlike developing ones, strictly enforce IP rights) they have been forced to pay a quarter of revenues to patent holders. Building patent banks can reduce this burden: a mighty arsenal may scare off lawsuits, and patents can be sold or cross-licensed as necessary, to avoid conflict. Lenovo has spent pots of money of late to acquire thousands of patents from NEC, a Japanese firm, from Motorola and from patent trolls. Most importantly, they must come up with valuable inventions in-house. To their credit, Huawei and ZTE are among the world’s most prolific generators of new patents.

That intense rivalry and race to generate new ideas is the best reason to believe the Chinese upstarts can make it. The confluence of a giant market and cost-conscious consumers has forced them to squeeze component costs, make contract manufacturing more efficient and adopt technological innovations more quickly. This has prepared the best of the local firms to do battle with global titans.

There is no denying that many Chinese firms got their start by copying foreign ones at the leading edge. But imitation has often been the starting point for innovation at companies in the rich world. Apple did not invent the compact music player or smartphone. Steve Jobs even flew a pirate’s flag atop the old Macintosh headquarters as a reminder to his employees that innovators need to be rule-breakers. That transition from imitation to innovation is happening now at a breathtaking pace in Chinese technology firms.
 
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