Z-20 (all variants) thread

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Correction 500KPH is actually reasonable for a tilt rotor or some configuration of compound helicopters.

fifth blade is a smart move I will grant but I think they are over stating the advantages vs the detractors. The four blades on a UH60M are not just efficient for flight they are also for shipping. The main rotors fold on all Blackhawks allowing movements into larger transports like the C17. This is the reason why for example when the American president visits a foreign country he is often seen flying around in a S70 variant. Its easy to transport and can be flight prepared in a very short time.
I will grant that for the PLA this is a good move. But being realistic about it this is them moving up to par. And even then they still have to get to production.

 

[kwaigonegin]

Please direct all hate mail and ridicule to the author responsible for such stupidly.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again! How the heck can I get a job like that?!?! LOL people actually gets paid writing these type of articles? of course to write something like this you have to sacrifice some professional and journalistic integrity.
Dude sees an object under tarp whose shape partly resembles a blackhawk and suddenly it's OMG! The commie Chinese have reverse engineered the Stealth Hawks used in OBL raid because the dirty Pakistanis gave it to them the next morning!

Seriously,... IF the Chinese or anybody can actually reverse engineered the entire chopper based solely on a small damage tail piece (assuming they even have it) to a fully functional operational stealth helicopter one in less than 2 years then they would be incredibly dumb to do it in the first place because obviously their advances in aviation is far more advance than even the US!!

Sad part is a lot of joe q public would eat this type of articles up and believe every single word!

 

[mack8]

Sad part is a lot of joe q public would eat this type of articles up and believe every single word!

That being exactly to whom this kind of pathetic propaganda is aimed at, unfortunately.

 

[plawolf]

Pakistan returned all parts of the stealth hawk, well all the major parts anyways.

The best thing we can do about idiotic trolls is to ignore them. To call these dredges of the Internet wannabe defense analyst would be to pay them a complement, because at the very least a wannabe defense analyst wants to learn about the actual developments.

These people only care about knowledge to the extent that it gives them something new to spin to properage their own deep-set beliefs. They don't care about knowledge or facts or reason, all the want to do is talk and be talked about. They are wannabe celebrities and the worst thing we can do is help spread their notoriety. So the best thing to do when you see such obvious trash articles is to forget all about it. Don't even repost it as a joke or something to be made fun of, because that only gives their troll writes exactly what they want - attention and web traffic.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

Moving on from David Axe wannabe.
I am still amazed at the number of clone accusations floating around. Yes there is a strong resemblance.
But this is not a case like that of the TU4 vs B29 where it was a direct translation down to the screw heads. This is more like TU85 to B29. Where in the aircraft in question was extensively redesigned to match the individual needs of its builders.
It resembles Blackhawk for the same reason Z10 resembles Mangusta, the PLA when they trialed the original platform used it was the basis of there mission needs. Then spent the next three decades licensing other designs subtly making improvements, starting joint ventures to coop in fresh development.
learning the ropes to make their own. Z20 is the culmination point of ever Chinese rotary wing program for the last thirty years. Taking technologies from Z9,Z8,Z19,Z10, Ac313 and Z10. And Sikorsky should be bright red right now because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. and this shows that Blackhawk is a damn good bird.

 

[MwRYum]

Moving on from David Axe wannabe.
I am still amazed at the number of clone accusations floating around. Yes there is a strong resemblance.
But this is not a case like that of the TU4 vs B29 where it was a direct translation down to the screw heads. This is more like TU85 to B29. Where in the aircraft in question was extensively redesigned to match the individual needs of its builders.
It resembles Blackhawk for the same reason Z10 resembles Mangusta, the PLA when they trialed the original platform used it was the basis of there mission needs. Then spent the next three decades licensing other designs subtly making improvements, starting joint ventures to coop in fresh development.
learning the ropes to make their own. Z20 is the culmination point of ever Chinese rotary wing program for the last thirty years. Taking technologies from Z9,Z8,Z19,Z10, Ac313 and Z10. And Sikorsky should be bright red right now because imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. and this shows that Blackhawk is a damn good bird.

Until the hi-res pictures of the "Z-20" emerges which shows the helicopter in much better details for examinations, there's simply no avoiding of those accusations. And even when those does "leaks out", it'd be natural to have the discussion switch track to the "how extensive is the duplication?" direction.

 

[Blitzo]

Until the hi-res pictures of the "Z-20" emerges which shows the helicopter in much better details for examinations, there's simply no avoiding of those accusations. And even when those does "leaks out", it'd be natural to have the discussion switch track to the "how extensive is the duplication?" direction.

Hi-res won't change much, because as long as it retains the same shape of the Blackhawk people will still call it a copy.

Nothing wrong with that, even if the more seasoned observer can instantly see already a handful of significant differences in that single Z-20 picture and the Blackhawk, not to mention the virtually innumerable under-the-hood differences ranging from engine, avionics, materials, etc.

 

[MwRYum]

Hi-res won't change much, because as long as it retains the same shape of the Blackhawk people will still call it a copy.

Nothing wrong with that, even if the more seasoned observer can instantly see already a handful of significant differences in that single Z-20 picture and the Blackhawk, not to mention the virtually innumerable under-the-hood differences ranging from engine, avionics, materials, etc.

Fair enough, as those who are better informed - like us at least - knew for a long time that the Z-20's starting point is to duplicate the Blackhawk.

However, it has been more than a week but no new photos got "leaked", kinda strange, as we'd expect the Z-20 ain't some kind of private venture, but carries a hallmarked project status.

 

[Blitzo]

Fair enough, as those who are better informed - like us at least - knew for a long time that the Z-20's starting point is to duplicate the Blackhawk.

However, it has been more than a week but no new photos got "leaked", kinda strange, as we'd expect the Z-20 ain't some kind of private venture, but carries a hallmarked project status.

Yeah, but it is a helicopter, which typically get less attention than fighters, and it is also the refinement of an existing design so there is probably less interest in it too. Just remember how long it took for us to get decent pictures of Y-9 — and that was a fixed wing tactical transporter!

 

[Skywatcher]

The problem with helicopters is that most people don't realize that the most critical part is the wing (main rotors). You can play around with the fuselage all you want, but much of the flight performance will be set by the wing.