East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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xiabonan

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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China

Nothing really too surprising about that. It would be astonishingly abnormal if the western media DOES NOT do that and actually report some true and neutral news when it comes to China
 

Cheng

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There are two things that I think we can be sure about.

1) China did not set up an ATIZ and say "OK now lets see what happens". A lot of thought and planning will have been put into both the setting up and operation of the zone, plus in anticipating and managing the reactions of other nations.

2) The ADIZ is a behaviour test. China expects its neighbours and others to respect and co-operate with its requirements. Doing so will be construed as a "friendly act". Conversely, not doing so will be construed as an "unfriendly act".

I do not expect to see any major fireworks over the ECSADIZ any time soon, but I do expect that airlines that fail to lodge flight plans will find their access to Chinese Airspace and Airports seriously curtailed. I also expect that those nations that fail to respect the zone will find doing general business with China, significantly more difficult.

I would agree that the ADIZ is primarily an ECONOMIC challenge to Japan rather than a MILITARY one.

And in past economic disputes - Japan has backed down.

That is because Chinese, American and European companies GAINED at the expense of Japanese companies.

The result was an economic recession in Japan, whilst China grew faster.
 
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mr.bean

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While all of us on this forum knows the realities of the situation, the general consensus around the web is that China was shown its place during this incident. News outlets may have knowingly twisted the truth (Not the first time) of this event (such as ADIZ turning into a NFZ) to score major political points and to drum up the Anti-China fervour. And looking at the comments on major sites such as Reddit, it seemed to have worked quite well.

I apologize if this was slightly off-topic

we are so used to anti china propaganda from the western press this is as exciting as a Chrysler minivan. :p for the moment this ''challenge'' to china's ADIZ is the hottest news item but in around 2 weeks later they will move on to a new topic. 2 weeks ago the main story was how evil and stingy the Chinese were in not helping the Philippines in their typhoon disaster.
 

jobjed

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Re: the two B-52 only flew along the border of the ADIZ, does it mean the us

the two B-52 only flew along the border of the ADIZ, does it mean the us has already accepted the ADIZ de facto?

Whether or not the ADIZ exists is not for the US to decide, what's for them to decide is whether or not to respect it. Obviously, their military chose not to respect it and hence, they've been monitored for the entirety of the flight.
 

Cheng

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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China

While all of us on this forum knows the realities of the situation, the general consensus around the web is that China was shown its place during this incident. News outlets may have knowingly twisted the truth (Not the first time) of this event (such as ADIZ turning into a NFZ) to score major political points and to drum up the Anti-China fervour. And looking at the comments on major sites such as Reddit, it seemed to have worked quite well.

I apologize if this was slightly off-topic

Latest announcement below.

China 'monitored' US bombers in new air zone
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Given how fast this announcement was made, it looks like it was prepared some days ago.
 

usaf0314

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not sure how credible this source is.
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but sending Liaoning into disputed water without its squadron is kind of a waste... but none the less it would be a show of china's conviction of protecting its sovereignty
 

MwRYum

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but sending Liaoning into disputed water without its squadron is kind of a waste... but none the less it would be a show of china's conviction of protecting its sovereignty

One response not enough to make a statement, we still need to see what happens when Japan do something beyond verbally challenge the AIDZ, or when JAL and ANA flights would actually get intercepted by PLAN aviation / PLAAF assets.

As for Liaoning...that's something different entirely, this announced group would hardly be "the battlegroup", the full compliment can be expected including SSF assets, including SSN, in the training proper. And seriously, eventhough the waters where the training is expected to take place ain't the disputed SCS regions for geological reasons (not enough deep water zone for things to play out), what's of interest is the timing and it'll be the first time ever the US can have ringside seats to how the PLAN really taking steps to operate Liaoning.
 

Maggern

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Yeah, the US "incursion" with B-52s is now seeming much less decisive in real life than it seemed from news articles. Entering the ADIZ 200km east of the Diaoyu islands (BBC unfortunately reporting them as flying "above" the islands) and then skirting the edge of the zone in a north-south pattern does not seem worthy of scrambling jets for the Chinese.

From what I understood, China is only reserving the right to scramble jets and intercept planes of a more "threatening" nature (I guess swarming over the Diaoyus, screaming straight towards Chinese mainland etc). Two bombers in a holding pattern along the edge of the zone is not very threatening (especially when merely part of a long-planned exercise). Identifying them and keeping track is more than sufficient. So I think this was more of a "non-incident", hyped up in the media. If the B-52s had suddeny broken pattern and turned towards the Diaoyus or the Chinese mainland, I'm sure a couple of J-10s would appear before long...

That is...if the Chinese DoD statement is accurate.
 

siegecrossbow

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Classical case of media making stuff up as they go again to attract attention.

I think the U.S. response was measured, considering the fact that it was planned before the zone was implemented. I'm sure that the goal of the U.S. Military is not to escalate the already high tension in the area by flying over disputed territory and circling for hours on end. That is not the reasonable thing to do. Since the original flight plan involved skirting the air defense zone, and the U.S. has no intention of recognizing it, of course they are not going to abide by the rules. But both the Chinese and Western media played it up like some sort of huge humiliating event to the general populace.

This is not the late 19th century any more. Media, please report accurately instead of acting like an attention whore all the time. Stop instigating conflicts!
 
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