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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China
I would agree that the ADIZ is primarily an ECONOMIC challenge to Japan rather than a MILITARY one.
And in past economic disputes - Japan has backed down.
That is because Chinese, American and European companies GAINED at the expense of Japanese companies.
The result was an economic recession in Japan, whilst China grew faster.
I would agree that the ADIZ is primarily an ECONOMIC challenge to Japan rather than a MILITARY one.
And in past economic disputes - Japan has backed down.
That is because Chinese, American and European companies GAINED at the expense of Japanese companies.
The result was an economic recession in Japan, whilst China grew faster.
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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China
we are so used to anti china propaganda from the western press this is as exciting as a Chrysler minivan.
for the moment this ''challenge'' to china's ADIZ is the hottest news item but in around 2 weeks later they will move on to a new topic. 2 weeks ago the main story was how evil and stingy the Chinese were in not helping the Philippines in their typhoon disaster.
we are so used to anti china propaganda from the western press this is as exciting as a Chrysler minivan.
for the moment this ''challenge'' to china's ADIZ is the hottest news item but in around 2 weeks later they will move on to a new topic. 2 weeks ago the main story was how evil and stingy the Chinese were in not helping the Philippines in their typhoon disaster.Re: the two B-52 only flew along the border of the ADIZ, does it mean the us
Whether or not the ADIZ exists is not for the US to decide, what's for them to decide is whether or not to respect it. Obviously, their military chose not to respect it and hence, they've been monitored for the entirety of the flight.
Whether or not the ADIZ exists is not for the US to decide, what's for them to decide is whether or not to respect it. Obviously, their military chose not to respect it and hence, they've been monitored for the entirety of the flight.
Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China
Latest announcement below.
Given how fast this announcement was made, it looks like it was prepared some days ago.
Latest announcement below.
Given how fast this announcement was made, it looks like it was prepared some days ago.
usaf0314
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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China
not sure how credible this source is.
but sending Liaoning into disputed water without its squadron is kind of a waste... but none the less it would be a show of china's conviction of protecting its sovereignty
not sure how credible this source is.
but sending Liaoning into disputed water without its squadron is kind of a waste... but none the less it would be a show of china's conviction of protecting its sovereignty
MwRYum
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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China
One response not enough to make a statement, we still need to see what happens when Japan do something beyond verbally challenge the AIDZ, or when JAL and ANA flights would actually get intercepted by PLAN aviation / PLAAF assets.
As for Liaoning...that's something different entirely, this announced group would hardly be "the battlegroup", the full compliment can be expected including SSF assets, including SSN, in the training proper. And seriously, eventhough the waters where the training is expected to take place ain't the disputed SCS regions for geological reasons (not enough deep water zone for things to play out), what's of interest is the timing and it'll be the first time ever the US can have ringside seats to how the PLAN really taking steps to operate Liaoning.
One response not enough to make a statement, we still need to see what happens when Japan do something beyond verbally challenge the AIDZ, or when JAL and ANA flights would actually get intercepted by PLAN aviation / PLAAF assets.
As for Liaoning...that's something different entirely, this announced group would hardly be "the battlegroup", the full compliment can be expected including SSF assets, including SSN, in the training proper. And seriously, eventhough the waters where the training is expected to take place ain't the disputed SCS regions for geological reasons (not enough deep water zone for things to play out), what's of interest is the timing and it'll be the first time ever the US can have ringside seats to how the PLAN really taking steps to operate Liaoning.
Maggern
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Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China
Yeah, the US "incursion" with B-52s is now seeming much less decisive in real life than it seemed from news articles. Entering the ADIZ 200km east of the Diaoyu islands (BBC unfortunately reporting them as flying "above" the islands) and then skirting the edge of the zone in a north-south pattern does not seem worthy of scrambling jets for the Chinese.
From what I understood, China is only reserving the right to scramble jets and intercept planes of a more "threatening" nature (I guess swarming over the Diaoyus, screaming straight towards Chinese mainland etc). Two bombers in a holding pattern along the edge of the zone is not very threatening (especially when merely part of a long-planned exercise). Identifying them and keeping track is more than sufficient. So I think this was more of a "non-incident", hyped up in the media. If the B-52s had suddeny broken pattern and turned towards the Diaoyus or the Chinese mainland, I'm sure a couple of J-10s would appear before long...
That is...if the Chinese DoD statement is accurate.
Yeah, the US "incursion" with B-52s is now seeming much less decisive in real life than it seemed from news articles. Entering the ADIZ 200km east of the Diaoyu islands (BBC unfortunately reporting them as flying "above" the islands) and then skirting the edge of the zone in a north-south pattern does not seem worthy of scrambling jets for the Chinese.
From what I understood, China is only reserving the right to scramble jets and intercept planes of a more "threatening" nature (I guess swarming over the Diaoyus, screaming straight towards Chinese mainland etc). Two bombers in a holding pattern along the edge of the zone is not very threatening (especially when merely part of a long-planned exercise). Identifying them and keeping track is more than sufficient. So I think this was more of a "non-incident", hyped up in the media. If the B-52s had suddeny broken pattern and turned towards the Diaoyus or the Chinese mainland, I'm sure a couple of J-10s would appear before long...
That is...if the Chinese DoD statement is accurate.
Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China
Classical case of media making stuff up as they go again to attract attention.
I think the U.S. response was measured, considering the fact that it was planned before the zone was implemented. I'm sure that the goal of the U.S. Military is not to escalate the already high tension in the area by flying over disputed territory and circling for hours on end. That is not the reasonable thing to do. Since the original flight plan involved skirting the air defense zone, and the U.S. has no intention of recognizing it, of course they are not going to abide by the rules. But both the Chinese and Western media played it up like some sort of huge humiliating event to the general populace.
This is not the late 19th century any more. Media, please report accurately instead of acting like an attention whore all the time. Stop instigating conflicts!
Classical case of media making stuff up as they go again to attract attention.
I think the U.S. response was measured, considering the fact that it was planned before the zone was implemented. I'm sure that the goal of the U.S. Military is not to escalate the already high tension in the area by flying over disputed territory and circling for hours on end. That is not the reasonable thing to do. Since the original flight plan involved skirting the air defense zone, and the U.S. has no intention of recognizing it, of course they are not going to abide by the rules. But both the Chinese and Western media played it up like some sort of huge humiliating event to the general populace.
This is not the late 19th century any more. Media, please report accurately instead of acting like an attention whore all the time. Stop instigating conflicts!
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