PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

tphuang

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Can anyone translate this paper (it talks about the Type 093, Type 093A, Type 093B, Type 095, Type 096, Type 041D)

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this one looks like something written up by an internet warrior. Yuan is still called Type 041 here.

But what if they made some last minute changes and went with a very conservative design? What if there were initially two proposals, one for a new design and one for a small 093 upgrade, and went with the latter?
i think US intelligence is calling this conservative design Improved Type 093. I guess we can really call it anything.
 

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As we see new Chinese warships come out, there is always the inevitable question of how capable are these new hardware. We can make assessments based on pictures we see and reports that we read. Nothing is harder to assess than nuclear submarines. We don’t get many pictures of them. We don’t know about the capabilities of sonar, torpedoes, combat system or the crew. And most importantly, parameters such as acoustic signature, maximum speed and depth are completely confidential. I have to rely on talking to folks who are much smarter than me on these issues, because I certainly don’t have the data or submarine background to do more than guess these things.

We know that the first 2 Type 093s were launched around 2002/3 and joined service in 2006. PLAN followers saw pictures of Type 093 coming out at that time and made optimistic assessment regarding follow-on units along with talks of Type 095 class. Most of us guessed that Type 093 was at or better than Victor III in acoustic performance (based on 1996 ONI assessment) and that Type 095 would be close to Akula I in performance.

According to the latest report by the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission, China began building first of 4 improved 093 SSN in 2012. This improved Type 093 looks on the satellite photo to be slightly shorter and wider than the original Type 093. From the overheard satellite photos, it looks like this new submarine has a “hump” (like the one on kilo & Yuan) and a possible TAS installation on the tail. I would imagine the new submarines would have more space across for passive noise reduction technology, newer active noise reduction technology as well as newer generation of nuclear reactor. With the improvement in China’s civilian nuclear technology from the late 90s to mid 2000s, it is possible the newer reactor would be a lot quieter than the ones on the first two Type 093s.
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SinoSoldier

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The division responsible for Chinese nuclear submarine trials has been awarded a First Class Merit by the president. Could this mean that China's submarine program is moving a lot faster?

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clone7803

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The PLAN could be the only one that is producing/researching three generations of SSN/SSBN/SSGN.The type 093A is in mass production,the type 095 SSN is in sea trial,the type 096 SSBN/SSGN is in assemble and the type 097 SSN project probably on board.
 

SinoSoldier

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The PLAN could be the only one that is producing/researching three generations of SSN/SSBN/SSGN.The type 093A is in mass production,the type 095 SSN is in sea trial,the type 096 SSBN/SSGN is in assemble and the type 097 SSN project probably on board.

There has been no definitive evidence that the 095 was in trials or that the 096 was in assembly. Only rumors.
 

clone7803

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There has been no definitive evidence that the 095 was in trials or that the 096 was in assembly. Only rumors.

The link you posted above is a solid evidence that the type 095 SSN at least had finished its first round sea trials.
Last time the unit 92730 was rewarded for the reason in the excellent performence of the type 094 SSBN sea trial in 2002,then in 2010 they got the reward again for the type 093A SSN test.Remember, the unit 92730 is the best submarine test group in the PLAN and had taken part in all the PLAN SSN test,the 90 group captain has a higher rank than the normal PLAN SSN captains.

《瞭望东方周刊》记者山旭 | 北京报道

2013年8月下旬,中央军委主席习近平签署通令,给2个单位、4名个人记功。根据公开报道,这也是习近平当选中央军委主席后,第二次签署通令嘉奖立功的解放军官兵。

根据军队媒体对立功者的报道,此次记功的2个单位和4名个人除具有爱岗敬业、艰苦奋斗的传统军队精神外,其工作领域大多涉及尖端装备,其中有2个单位和2名个人来自海军。

新型潜艇立功

解放军军功每年评定一次,但并非全部以通令的形式向全军发布。

此次通令记功的2个单位及立功原因是:在单位建设取得突出成绩和完成任务中作出突出贡献的92730部队90分队记一等功,91550部队记二等功。

根据军队媒体和地方媒体的报道可以发现,92730部队是驻扎在三亚的海军南海舰队下属部队。2010年中国军网曾刊载了一组“南海舰队92730部队某舰艇部队圆满完成某重大任务凯旋”的图片报道,反映了它返抵三亚的情况。

关于92730部队90分队,则可以在2008年9月《解放军报》关于“总政治部通报表彰对第九届全军学习成才标兵、学习成才先进个人和人才培养先进单位”的报道以及相关先进人物报道中有所了解。

时任92730部队90分队分队长胡中明在这一届全军学习成才标兵名单中名列第一。

而在同年对胡中明的先进人物报道中可以看到,当时他任新型潜艇艇长、大校军衔,曾参加了海军首次环球航行,多次参加重大演习和演练任务。

这种新型潜艇在2004年2月服役,“与过去的老装备相比,新型潜艇无论是制造材料、装备构成,还是武器装备性能、自动化程度,均有了质的飞跃”。它的另一个特征是吨位大,导致操纵难度加大。

引人注意的是,这位92730部队90分队分队长具有大校军衔。而其他被报道过的海军潜艇艇长则多为中校。

其实,作为解放军海军主力的导弹驱逐舰舰长也基本为上校军衔,实习舰长有中校军衔,公开报道中虽然有个别大校军衔,但较为少见。

以同样参加2002年海军首次环球航行的“青岛号”导弹驱逐舰为例,时任舰长李玉杰“是我军第一代从学生官培养起来的知识型舰长,是我军第一位‘挑战三大洋、远航练精兵’的新型舰长,是我国第一位圆满完成环球航行任务的驱逐舰舰长”,他当时就是海军上校。

目前海军舰艇长为大校军衔的,还有中国第一艘航空母舰“辽宁号”舰长张峥和政委梅文。这艘航空母舰为正师编制。

分析人士推测,即使存在高配情况, 92730部队90分队也很可能是海军最强大的新型潜艇。

2012年12月,习近平视察海军驻三亚部队时,就曾进入新型潜艇进行视察。这代表着解放军已在这里设立了相对完善的潜艇基地

而查询10年以来的公开通令记功,还没有海军的分队级、即单个舰艇受到通令记一等功的嘉奖。以“在单位建设取得突出成绩”荣立一等功,显示了这艘潜艇在军事斗争准备中取得重大成果。

关于胡中明的报道还说,两年内他累计封舱出海290余天,也就是平均每年有近一半时间用于海上训练、执行任务,由此也可以看到海军潜艇部队的成长艰辛。


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clone7803

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The captain who is charge in the type 094 SSBN,type 093A SSN and type 095 SSN sea trial.
A little correction,Captain Hu and his group got the rewards for the type 094 SSBN sea trial in 2002,type 093A SSN test in 2008,and type 095 SSN sea trial in 2013,perfect match the development Of the PLAN SSN/SSBN.
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SinoSoldier

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The link you posted above is a solid evidence that the type 095 SSN at least had finished its first round sea trials.
Last time the unit 92730 was rewarded for the reason in the excellent performence of the type 094 SSBN sea trial in 2002,then in 2010 they got the reward again for the type 093A SSN test.Remember, the unit 92730 is the best submarine test group in the PLAN and had taken part in all the PLAN SSN test,the 90 group captain has a higher rank than the normal PLAN SSN captains.

《瞭望东方周刊》记者山旭 | 北京报道

2013年8月下旬,中央军委主席习近平签署通令,给2个单位、4名个人记功。根据公开报道,这也是习近平当选中央军委主席后,第二次签署通令嘉奖立功的解放军官兵。

根据军队媒体对立功者的报道,此次记功的2个单位和4名个人除具有爱岗敬业、艰苦奋斗的传统军队精神外,其工作领域大多涉及尖端装备,其中有2个单位和2名个人来自海军。

新型潜艇立功

解放军军功每年评定一次,但并非全部以通令的形式向全军发布。

此次通令记功的2个单位及立功原因是:在单位建设取得突出成绩和完成任务中作出突出贡献的92730部队90分队记一等功,91550部队记二等功。

根据军队媒体和地方媒体的报道可以发现,92730部队是驻扎在三亚的海军南海舰队下属部队。2010年中国军网曾刊载了一组“南海舰队92730部队某舰艇部队圆满完成某重大任务凯旋”的图片报道,反映了它返抵三亚的情况。

关于92730部队90分队,则可以在2008年9月《解放军报》关于“总政治部通报表彰对第九届全军学习成才标兵、学习成才先进个人和人才培养先进单位”的报道以及相关先进人物报道中有所了解。

时任92730部队90分队分队长胡中明在这一届全军学习成才标兵名单中名列第一。

而在同年对胡中明的先进人物报道中可以看到,当时他任新型潜艇艇长、大校军衔,曾参加了海军首次环球航行,多次参加重大演习和演练任务。

这种新型潜艇在2004年2月服役,“与过去的老装备相比,新型潜艇无论是制造材料、装备构成,还是武器装备性能、自动化程度,均有了质的飞跃”。它的另一个特征是吨位大,导致操纵难度加大。

引人注意的是,这位92730部队90分队分队长具有大校军衔。而其他被报道过的海军潜艇艇长则多为中校。

其实,作为解放军海军主力的导弹驱逐舰舰长也基本为上校军衔,实习舰长有中校军衔,公开报道中虽然有个别大校军衔,但较为少见。

以同样参加2002年海军首次环球航行的“青岛号”导弹驱逐舰为例,时任舰长李玉杰“是我军第一代从学生官培养起来的知识型舰长,是我军第一位‘挑战三大洋、远航练精兵’的新型舰长,是我国第一位圆满完成环球航行任务的驱逐舰舰长”,他当时就是海军上校。

目前海军舰艇长为大校军衔的,还有中国第一艘航空母舰“辽宁号”舰长张峥和政委梅文。这艘航空母舰为正师编制。

分析人士推测,即使存在高配情况, 92730部队90分队也很可能是海军最强大的新型潜艇。

2012年12月,习近平视察海军驻三亚部队时,就曾进入新型潜艇进行视察。这代表着解放军已在这里设立了相对完善的潜艇基地

而查询10年以来的公开通令记功,还没有海军的分队级、即单个舰艇受到通令记一等功的嘉奖。以“在单位建设取得突出成绩”荣立一等功,显示了这艘潜艇在军事斗争准备中取得重大成果。

关于胡中明的报道还说,两年内他累计封舱出海290余天,也就是平均每年有近一半时间用于海上训练、执行任务,由此也可以看到海军潜艇部队的成长艰辛。


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The article that was posted makes no mention of the new SSGN and the trials were for the improved Type 093.
 
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