It appears that the J-15 has to be wheeled to the very edge of the elevator in order for the nose to not hit anything. I'm wondering if the US Navy has a similar situation with its aircraft.
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It appears that the J-15 has to be wheeled to the very edge of the elevator in order for the nose to not hit anything. I'm wondering if the US Navy has a similar situation with its aircraft.
MwRYum
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The US carrier have bigger lifts.
This was discussed in some detail earlier on the thread.
The J-15, like the SU-33 is a big aircraft. It takes up every bit of space on the elevator.
The F/A-18F Super Hornet is also a large aircraft, but the US elevators are large enough to accommodate two of them. That's because those elevators also have to accommodate E-2D Hawkeyes, EA-6B Prowlers, and C-2 Greyhound aircraft which themselves are very large. Before that, they had to accommodate aircraft like the A-5 Vigilante, etc. So for a long time the US elevators have been quite a bit larger than most.
The Russians, when they move to the Mig-29K and take the SU-33s out of service will have quite a bit more room. Until the PLAN either designs their own cvarrier with their own elevators, or until they adopt a smaller aircraft, they will have to deal with the issue. And they are. The Russians have dealt with it for 25 years.
And the J-15 is worth it. It is a good fighter with a lot of capabilities.
Equation
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Is it me or do they have to remove the tip from the nose of the J-15 in order for it to fit into the elevator?
Blackstone
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Looks like the engineers didn't think though J-15 elevator operations when they overhauled the Liaoning. I'm sure they'll fix that oversight in future carrier constructions.
kwaigonegin
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looks like it. u can pause at 2.03 and see the pitot type not being there. PLAN really needs a 80-100K CV or CVN to fully accomodate J-15s and fly the type of sorties they probably want to fly. The J-15 is a very large bird and she needs more room.
The Liaoning would be perfect for smaller birds like the Mig 29s, Rafales, F-35s etc but the Flanker chassis is a tad to big IMHO.
usaf0314
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That, and also the U.S. develop and design aircraft for the carrier ops, Russians on the other hand converts land based to naval based. But i think China will adopt the U.S. route once their new carrier design is validated(if not already)
At about 2:09 it looks like the tip is simply folded downwards rather than removed.
kwaigonegin
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no, I have seen a lot of planes in my life and I have never seen one where you can fold a pitot tube etc. The thing you see that looks like a 'folded' down tube is nothing more than a hanging ribbon plug.
The Chinese like efficiency, and the J-15 on the Liaoning is very efficient, it is my thoughtfully considered opinion that they have no desire for the type of frenetic chaos that the US Navy is capable of making look easy, but then nobody else can afford to play that game either, (heck, neither can we now???)....So they will proceed at a methodical pace, bring the Liaoning up to speed and the J-15s on board and begin to integrate the airwing into the daily life aboard ship, and achieve a rythym of their own. I do believe you are right about the future carriers, they will have lots accomodations to real life, in that respect they have been up front about the Liaroning, she is a scientific trainer, and they will find out what works and what doesn't, possibly modifying, but more likely setting up the design of the next generation carrier. brat
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