J-20... The New Generation Fighter II

[Red___Sword]

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In this pic that used in other thread, and possiblly many other maps you can get from Internet:

The Hainan Island, the big island other than the Taiwan Island, is showing a different colour on the map.

What I am pointing out to friends here, is that - THEY REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB OF WHAT THEY MEANT TO DO, at public media space.

I am indirectly adding more salt into the pot now.

 

[delft]

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In this pic that used in other thread, and possiblly many other maps you can get from Internet:

The Hainan Island, the big island other than the Taiwan Island, is showing a different colour on the map.

What I am pointing out to friends here, is that - THEY REALLY DOING A GOOD JOB OF WHAT THEY MEANT TO DO, at public media space.

I am indirectly adding more salt into the pot now.

I don't see what this posting is doing here. Can you explain?

 

[Red___Sword]

I don't see what this posting is doing here. Can you explain?

You need to read them together - my #1477, 1478, 1481 posts. ---All meant to add salt to the pot. (the hot pot 火锅).

Beside that, in case you are not familiar, Hainan Island is an island province (2nd largest island) of China, under CCP's rule (unlike the 1st largest island). BUT, In any other english map, has been using different color to seperate from the China mainland (or, "the common sense of what is China"), since the cold war.

 

[delft]

I recently read about Hainan Island being one of the last parts of China taken from Chiang Kai-shek in 1950, the opening, recently, of the first high-speed railway line on the island, the landing of the US EP-3 spy plane in 2001 and about the major naval base in Sanya. So who puts the wrong color on the island on which maps?

 

[bd popeye]

I don't see what this posting is doing here. Can you explain?

Exactly.. Red__Sword I and others have no clue how to translate your metaphors. Use plain simple English when posting. And stop telling the mods what to do.

bd popeye super moderator

 

[kwaigonegin]

Exactly.. Red__Sword I and others have no clue how to translate your metaphors. Use plain simple English when posting. And stop telling the mods what to do.

bd popeye super moderator

I think his "salt to the pot" is equivalent to putting his "2 cents in" in american lingo but it is still difficult to comprehend his intentions.

 

[Maggern]

I recently read about Hainan Island being one of the last parts of China taken from Chiang Kai-shek in 1950, the opening, recently, of the first high-speed railway line on the island, the landing of the US EP-3 spy plane in 2001 and about the major naval base in Sanya. So who puts the wrong color on the island on which maps?

This is way off-topic, and I think that it can mostly be attributed to small mistakes. The map was about showing ballistic missile sites, not debating the political status of various provinces.
I've seen maps include north norway to russia, simply because there are so many fjords to physically separate it from the rest of norway on larger maps. It's just human to make mistakes.

 

[bd popeye]

Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

I have a couple of questions.

1) Aren't any of you fellows curious as to why the the J-20 flew only when US Sec of Defense Robert Gates was in China?? I am.
1a) Was the test flight just a show for Mr Gates?? Just asking...
2) Were are the aircraft? They've been sequestered for some time.
3) When we we see the J-20 fly again? It's been nearly 2 months since we saw this mighty bird.
4) And when it flies again will we see a full fledged test flight with the wheels up?
5) Was this test flight just smoke and mirrors by the Chinese? A ruse as it, will to showcase a yet unfinished aircraft.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Re: J-20... The New Generation Fighter

I have a couple of questions.

1) Aren't any of you fellows curious as to why the the J-20 flew only when US Sec of Defense Robert Gates was in China?? I am.
1a) Was the test flight just a show for Mr Gates?? Just asking...
2) Were are the aircraft? They've been sequestered for some time.
3) When we we see the J-20 fly again? It's been nearly 2 months since we saw this mighty bird.
4) And when it flies again will we see a full fledged test flight with the wheels up?
5) Was this test flight just smoke and mirrors by the Chinese? A ruse as it, will to showcase a yet unfinished aircraft.

1) not really
2) maybe
3) Probably where they were tested before being brought to Chengdu, a place where people can't take picture.
4) likely not before it reaches production.
5) China would never actually show a first flight because it would be a international embarrassment if it
had failed. There would have been extensive test flighting before public consumption.
6) Its more likely the plane is even more finished then what was shown. Chinese military is unlikely to show cards it does not have.

 

[pugachev_diver]

I guess we kinda always overlooked the plane itself. Instead of worrying about the size and possible enemies of the plane, we should look at the finer details. If we look closely at the design and manufacturing skills, we could see that the skin is very very smooth, with no visible nuts and bolts, which is the same as F-22. But if you look at t-50, everything on it are visible; you can even see the engine blades when looking from the front of the plane. Another detail is the canopy, which is a bubble canopy on the J-20 and a traditional one on the T-50. This is not super important, but it does affect the overall stealthiness and especially reflect a nation's overall manufacturing ability. Russia is still a technology powerhouse, but over the last 2 decades, it is retreating whereas China is rushing down the track in F1 speed. The Russian's inability might reflect its weakness in certain areas.
But despite the difference, somehow both the Russian and the Chinese seem to have designed the planes starting with the nose and end with the tail, and they have run out of fund when they reached the tail. Both planes look very stealthy from the front, especially the J-20, but both the tails are half ass jobs. Just curious, are those two vectoring plates on the F22 really that hard to make? I mean, it shouldn't be that hard for the Russians, as they are still very prestigious in terms of metallurgy. Especially since they have the world's largest reserve of titanium ores.

Another quick point, this one might be out of topic, but it is still somewhat related to my topic. I still think the Chinese fighter pilots' uniforms and helmets are really ugly. When you look at the NATO uniforms, they are really well designed and look futuristic, whereas the Chinese ones are like they're from WWII. The type 07 ceremonial uniforms do look nice now, but the regular day to day uniforms still look like crap. Even WWII German uniforms look better than PLA's current ones. Can't the PLA heads just invest a few extra dollars to make their boys look better? I mean, it is sad to see the second biggest military in the world, having many futuristic weapons like the J-20, Chinese Aegis, and Type 99A2 look like they're out of the Transformer movies, but the soldiers dress like they're out of the 50's Red Army. It's really weird.